#musicbrainz

hi, how do i add an artist that has a "feat."? :p

i mean if a track has ABC feat. XYZ, should i just choose ABC as artist or create ABC feat. XYZ as new artist? ;x

http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Featuring_Artist_Style :)

in short: put the (feat. XYZ) (in that format) on the track title

and choose ABC as the track artist

so ABC - track (mix) (feat. XYZ)

that's right according to Featuring Artist Style, yes

ok :)

check remix style as well, if it's also a remix: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Remix_Style

how about this: AB & CD vs. WX & YZ

it depends what the 'vs.' means in the context of the particular song

complicated :D

well, vs. is used to mean a bunch of different things (among them featuring artists, which you just asked about!)

yeah, i know :-)

ianmcorvidae: Armand Van Helden & Horse, The vs. Cevin Fisher & Jason Jinx - Ghetto House Groove (Original Version)

as an example :x

yeah; I couldn't tell you without knowing the song -- you'll have to decide what's the proper way to do it based on the recommendation on the Versus Style page I linked before :)

just want to rule out all possibilities ;x

well, an entry can be changed... o_o

hey, nikki, congrats on your new position :)

thanks :)

how long does it usually takes until someone votes on a release? ;D

faster if you ask people here to help yhou vote. :)

lol

not kidding.

we ask each other to vote on things plenty of times.

i just hope that my additions don't disappear if no one votes o_o

and if everyone helps out a bit it works fine.

adding a release is default? :p

yes.

ah, then i have much time :)

if no one votes it will accepted ;D

STalKer-Y, yeah. I think that used to be different, way back in ancient history, but there are areas of the database that few people look at.

it's always been accepted by default while I've been here

hmm. I'm somewhat forgetful, I think it used to be different...

mhh

nikki is right. always been that way.

its one of the basic ideas behind MB. Continual improvement.

Get into the DB as long as matches a reasonable standard of quality. Then improve later.

huh. /everything/ is default-expire on 'high' data quality?

I guess that's ok if you set it on something where a lot of people check regularly and vote

yeah

er, default-reject*

yep

I mean, how much stuff is set to High anyway?

not much

yeah

mainly things that kept getting wrongly edited.

white album, black album...

only 58 artists and 1441 releases :o

a whole 0% of arists :)

sounds about right.

I'm surprised there's more low than high, though

i'm surprised there's not more low

perhaps we should fix the terminology to suit the usage?

what situations do people demote things to 'low' in?

crappy data.

but I don't ever bother setting anything to low, because normal is default-accept anyways.

but as kepstin says, default is usually quite sufficient when there's crappy data :)

how many edits are there a day? o_o

the best suggestion I've seen is marking new releases that get no votes and that still getr added to the DB as low.

I never change the data quality, I set something to high once and all I succeeded in doing was hindering my own editing when new relationships and features got added :P

nikki: ha!

I think our use of quality is something we ought to have a long hard review of. now that've used it.

I agree

yeah

not until after NGS

haha

it gets on my nerves when I make some tiny edit to a url (usually wikipedia moving pages all the bloody time), but it's attached to a high quality release so I need four votes on it... but I can remove a default release with all its relationships and isrcs and puids and stuff from the db in just three votes

I must not propose major changes before NGS; proposing such changes is the mind-killer; proposing them is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will let the urge to propose major changes pass over me and through me, and when it passes only my dedication to MB will remain ;)

STalKer-Y, looks like around 6000ish edits per day, based on http://musicbrainz.org/show/stats/timeline.html

NGS? :D

ngs is the next server release

STalKer-Y: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/NextGenerationSchema

:

:)

ah~

STalKer-Y, feel free to poke around on http://test.musicbrainz.org to see how it's going

lots of improvements, etc.

i'm just new :<

we were all new once :)

'tis fine, I was new as of perhaps a month ago :P

now I can link-quote with the best of them ;)

hmm. apparently I created my account back in 2004. I feel old now ;)

hehe

you created it three days before me iirc

well, I created mine in 2007

is logging

Users on #musicbrainz: MBChatLogger xlotlu DarkerAudit creature Milosz STalKer-Y ruaok pronik ianmcorvidae CatCat BurgessShale yoasif Vorpal Mineo dinog1 xgnu_andy GDKR MClemo tru Jormangeud juhae nikki Pupeno srotta LotR praest76 hangy FauxFaux RJ2 ojnkpjg czaja navap Surzer v6lur aton` drsaunde1 Muz daq4th vektor kepstin monban kurtjx luks KingJ Dremora lidel mat_ warp tenthirteen jefferai Wizzcat Tykling yvesr Clint ekes VorTechS enjayhch

mine's 2005-06-26 I think

2004 I mean

http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?userid=53705 :)

Not until after NGS!!

MBChatLogger mantra

oh, i'm looking at the wrong place

you verified your email on 2005-02

haha, I know my own mb birthday

verified versus joined :)

:P

nikki: you joined before that.

in 2004. I just looked it up. :)

it just happens that I verified my email on the same day I created my account.

yeah, I corrected my typo on the next line

any other wisdom for chatlogger?

heh, my join versus my verification is like 2.5 years, but I guess there was probably an email change in there

it took me about a minute and 30 seconds to verify my email, lol

I changed my email address... I remember I had it set to some gmail address that I never checked

so I had no idea people were leaving me notes, then one day I found them all

but that was only a few weeks afterwards, so I must have changed it again

is logging

Users on #musicbrainz: MBChatLogger xlotlu DarkerAudit creature Milosz STalKer-Y ruaok pronik ianmcorvidae CatCat BurgessShale yoasif Vorpal Mineo dinog1 xgnu_andy GDKR MClemo tru Jormangeud juhae nikki Pupeno srotta LotR praest76 hangy FauxFaux RJ2 ojnkpjg czaja navap Surzer enjayhch VorTechS ekes Clint yvesr Tykling Wizzcat jefferai tenthirteen warp mat_ lidel Dremora KingJ luks kurtjx monban kepstin vektor daq4th Muz drsaunde1 aton` v6lur

puurrrrrs

he's not an AI, that's for sure.

welll... chat is cat in french :D

hah. of course then.

huh. maybe we should teach MBChatLogger how to twitter.

why not go all the way, and teach mbchatlogger to make musicbrainz edits?

now there is a question i really *need* to ask :>

MBChatLogger, rename release "White Album" to "This is completely wrong"

I'm logging. I don't understand 'rename release "White Album" to "This is completely wrong"', kepstin. Try /msg MBChatLogger help

we can replace all of our users with MBChatLogger ... thats it.

:(

what do you think of discogs? :D

they're often a good data source when making musicbrainz edits :D

not sure what MBChatLogger thinks of it.

I don't like their urls

they merge artists and then the old url is just a 404 ¬_¬

STalKer-Y, discogs sometimes knows how to pronounce names of japanese artists that I look up; that's all I use it for.

at least when wikipedia moves pages, you get redirects or a message in the log

and merged musicbrainz stuff keeps the old uuid/row number as a redirect, right?

yep

we try hard to keep urls are permanent or useful as we can.