#musicbrainz

what music players are really well integrated with musicbrainz? (is there any?)

what sort of things are you looking for?

something that makes good use of mb data

e.g. it can recommend me live performances of the current track

or it's a covered of / was covered by..

actually, i don't quite expect to find a player that goes this far, but looking for something that's already integrated and hackable

I’m reading the discussion on the style mailing list about the Writer AR, and I’m thinking: The AR will apply entirely to Works rather than tracks in the NGS, correct?

yes

it'd be release and work rather than release and track like it would at the moment

So that means there’s a lot less potential for incorrect ARs…

since there’ll be a lot more cross-checking between releases, and presumably a lot of merging of works

and you'd be able to just link a work to the recording to get the composer/etc relationships

Right.

Seems like annotations for ARs would be nice (basically as a list of references) but probably a bit over the top.

text fields for everything!

:-)

Is it bad form to have duplicate “performed” and “performed [xxx] on” ARs? I’ve been doing that sometimes for things described as an “accordion solo” since just having “performed [accordion] on” would suggest that there might be additional performers.

arrays of text fields for everything!

arbitrary subject/object/predicate triple fields for everything!

:-p

yes! and let's put those that share information in a separate table!

hawke_: i doubt there's a style guide for that, but it doesn't seem pretty

that should probably go into an annotation that says performed solo accordion. at least until there's a database field for that too! :)

a "solo" attribute on the performed AR would not be unreasonable

not that I'm gonna write it up for mb-style, but XD

umh. but it's only justifying the other tracks' lack of completeness

oh

well, credited as 'solo' doesn't necessarily mean that was the only instrument playing at the time

which is complicated, of course

but yeah

this could warrant a more fine-grained control of data quality status

heh

not that there's *that* much use of the data quality stuff as it stands

or maybe I just listen to obscure music where it isn't used, lol, but

e.g. lock performed ARs, because it's certain that i listed all of them

yeah

beaurocracy ftw

I have some that are described as “[instrument] solo with orchestra” and some that are simply “[xxx] solo”.

Of course, putting the “with orchestra” in there is impossible

well, ostensibly you could have a performed-solo AR plus an orchestra AR

but yes :)

ianmcorvidae: sure, if I knew what orchestra…

oh, hah

well, that's problematic

[unknown] :P

:-D

Not a bad idea, actually.

heh

Not terribly useful, but it least it gives some completion without being inaccurate.

yeah :/

I would expect it’s some sort of session musician, but obviously no way to know that…

or who, even if it were

that seems to fit the definition of [unknown] -- Unknown and Unknowable

True, though some things are more “unknowable” than others.

I'm not sure how two performed relationships makes it clear that there's not other performers though...

nikki: It really doesn’t.

so why do it? :P

yeah, there's really no "all the possible information is here" AR

Just having “performed accordion on” sounds more like there’s other stuff.

does it?

Does to me.

btw hawke, do you read language log or was that someone else I saw commenting?

“Well, we know who played the sax on that track, but we don’t know who may or may not have performed other instruments”

vs. “We know that track was performed by this person”

really going... back in a couple of hours

nikki: that was me, most likely.

hawke_: ah, I saw a comment and was like "hmm... wonder if that's him or not..."

nikki: Yup…on the translations thing, presumably.

yeah

you're popping up everywhere I read it seems :P

Indeed. :-D

common interests ftw

:D

which ID3 tag editor writes customized frames with MusicBrainz information, e.g. MusicBrainz album id etc.

zazi_: Picard is a reasonable reference

there's also a table of how it maps things to tags on the wiki, if you're interested

(since of course mp3/ogg/flac/aac have different tag mechanisms and conventions, it has different things for each)

because I'm currently handling the TXXX frame and I found some predefined descriptors for MusicBrainz things at http://www.jthink.net/jaudiotagger/maven/apidoc...

well, I'd say compare and contrast with http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardTagMapping :)

okay, thanks for the hint