what music players are really well integrated with musicbrainz? (is there any?)
nikki
what sort of things are you looking for?
xlotlu
something that makes good use of mb data
e.g. it can recommend me live performances of the current track
or it's a covered of / was covered by..
actually, i don't quite expect to find a player that goes this far, but looking for something that's already integrated and hackable
hawke_
I’m reading the discussion on the style mailing list about the Writer AR, and I’m thinking: The AR will apply entirely to Works rather than tracks in the NGS, correct?
nikki
yes
it'd be release and work rather than release and track like it would at the moment
hawke_
So that means there’s a lot less potential for incorrect ARs…
since there’ll be a lot more cross-checking between releases, and presumably a lot of merging of works
nikki
and you'd be able to just link a work to the recording to get the composer/etc relationships
hawke_
Right.
Seems like annotations for ARs would be nice (basically as a list of references) but probably a bit over the top.
ianmcorvidae
text fields for everything!
hawke_
:-)
Is it bad form to have duplicate “performed” and “performed [xxx] on” ARs? I’ve been doing that sometimes for things described as an “accordion solo” since just having “performed [accordion] on” would suggest that there might be additional performers.
xlotlu
arrays of text fields for everything!
ianmcorvidae
arbitrary subject/object/predicate triple fields for everything!
hawke_
:-p
xlotlu
yes! and let's put those that share information in a separate table!
hawke_: i doubt there's a style guide for that, but it doesn't seem pretty
that should probably go into an annotation that says performed solo accordion. at least until there's a database field for that too! :)
ianmcorvidae
a "solo" attribute on the performed AR would not be unreasonable
not that I'm gonna write it up for mb-style, but XD
xlotlu
umh. but it's only justifying the other tracks' lack of completeness
ianmcorvidae
oh
well, credited as 'solo' doesn't necessarily mean that was the only instrument playing at the time
which is complicated, of course
but yeah
xlotlu
this could warrant a more fine-grained control of data quality status
ianmcorvidae
heh
not that there's *that* much use of the data quality stuff as it stands
or maybe I just listen to obscure music where it isn't used, lol, but
xlotlu
e.g. lock performed ARs, because it's certain that i listed all of them
ianmcorvidae
yeah
xlotlu
beaurocracy ftw
hawke_
I have some that are described as “[instrument] solo with orchestra” and some that are simply “[xxx] solo”.
Of course, putting the “with orchestra” in there is impossible
ianmcorvidae
well, ostensibly you could have a performed-solo AR plus an orchestra AR
but yes :)
hawke_
ianmcorvidae: sure, if I knew what orchestra…
ianmcorvidae
oh, hah
well, that's problematic
[unknown] :P
hawke_
:-D
Not a bad idea, actually.
ianmcorvidae
heh
hawke_
Not terribly useful, but it least it gives some completion without being inaccurate.
ianmcorvidae
yeah :/
hawke_
I would expect it’s some sort of session musician, but obviously no way to know that…
or who, even if it were
ianmcorvidae
that seems to fit the definition of [unknown] -- Unknown and Unknowable
nikki still wonders how to enter "all instruments" :/
hawke_
True, though some things are more “unknowable” than others.
nikki
I'm not sure how two performed relationships makes it clear that there's not other performers though...
nikki is going back home now
hawke_
nikki: It really doesn’t.
nikki
so why do it? :P
ianmcorvidae
yeah, there's really no "all the possible information is here" AR
hawke_
Just having “performed accordion on” sounds more like there’s other stuff.
nikki
does it?
hawke_
Does to me.
nikki
btw hawke, do you read language log or was that someone else I saw commenting?
hawke_
“Well, we know who played the sax on that track, but we don’t know who may or may not have performed other instruments”
vs. “We know that track was performed by this person”
nikki
really going... back in a couple of hours
hawke_
nikki: that was me, most likely.
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nikki
hawke_: ah, I saw a comment and was like "hmm... wonder if that's him or not..."
hawke_
nikki: Yup…on the translations thing, presumably.
nikki
yeah
you're popping up everywhere I read it seems :P
hawke_
Indeed. :-D
common interests ftw
nikki
:D
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zazi_
which ID3 tag editor writes customized frames with MusicBrainz information, e.g. MusicBrainz album id etc.
ianmcorvidae
zazi_: Picard is a reasonable reference
there's also a table of how it maps things to tags on the wiki, if you're interested
(since of course mp3/ogg/flac/aac have different tag mechanisms and conventions, it has different things for each)