On the romanisation of the attribution again, Track 7/Russet is also attributed using the romanised name on the packaging and website. I really think we should stick with the given information.
2011-01-03 00355, 2011
kepstin
I've found that a lot of the time artists will use a romanization of their name just as a stylization, and be credited different ways in different places
2011-01-03 00337, 2011
kepstin
so in the interests of keeping the data usable, I don't think there's any point in keeping separate artists for a person and a straight romanization of their name
2011-01-03 00317, 2011
kepstin
(This isn't an issue with NGS, since we can credit the artist "as-is" and still link to the correct person there.
2011-01-03 00326, 2011
kepstin
hmm. we are making a bit of a special case for Masayoshi Minoshima tho :/
2011-01-03 00333, 2011
KingJ
I do see where you're coming from, so why not
2011-01-03 00337, 2011
KingJ
Yeah, that
2011-01-03 00311, 2011
KingJ
nomico seems to be the more frequent tag on last.fm too (not that that's a good reason for using it)
2011-01-03 00322, 2011
kepstin
he's a bit odd tho, I haven't /ever/ seen him credited using "箕島マサヨシ", at least on anything related to Alstroemeria Records
2011-01-03 00334, 2011
KingJ
Some of the track listings also use nomico though, e.g. Bad Apple!! feat nomico
2011-01-03 00310, 2011
kepstin
Yeah, and the title of her website uses both, and her website and pro releases (with Lantis) all use のみこ
2011-01-03 00358, 2011
KingJ
I know you mentioned that this isn't a problem on NGS, could we keep them seperate for now then merge when NGS goes live?
2011-01-03 00359, 2011
kepstin
hmm. We could, but the data fragmentation until then would be annoying. And there would certainly be other people who would come along and try to merge them again later.
2011-01-03 00352, 2011
kepstin
annoyingly, the main way to link these would be using the "performance name" AR, but that doesn't work on her because we don't know her real name to add an entry for it :)
2011-01-03 00314, 2011
kepstin notes that http://musicbrainz.org/artist/b71abaa0-dd97-4e85-943d-3ffa2d3278a5.html and http://musicbrainz.org/artist/9204230d-9499-43fd-a75d-57901f4b9f13.html is kind of prior art of the idea of splitting them...
2011-01-03 00314, 2011
KingJ
mhm
2011-01-03 00335, 2011
kepstin
but in any case, the problem with nomico is that I have seen single releases that credit her using both "nomico" and "のみこ" in different places, which would make it very difficult to pick which to use on those.
2011-01-03 00300, 2011
kepstin
I'm not sure about Tsukasa; it might be that he's started to use a romanization of his full name simply because the short name "Tsukasa" was difficult to search for :)
2011-01-03 00312, 2011
kepstin
these three releases are the first place where I've seen that name used, so I'm not totally sure about what to do with it
2011-01-03 00320, 2011
KingJ
With regards to selecting which credit to use, isn't the policy normally to use the packaging? (even if it differs on the offical website for the release)
2011-01-03 00329, 2011
kepstin
it's really more of a judgement call either way; when you're dealing with official websites and official packaging it could very well be that either is wrong...
2011-01-03 00313, 2011
kepstin
but yeah, generally the packaging is preferred, simply because people tend to put more time into something that's turned into a permanent physical object ;)
2011-01-03 00350, 2011
Muz
Oh ho ho. Got NGS seemingly running with Postgres 9.0.2 and Perl 5.12
2011-01-03 00314, 2011
KingJ
I've not had a chance to check the other two releases yet, only the Alstroemeria Records one
2011-01-03 00343, 2011
kepstin
yeah, I've got them all here, but I randomly picked the alstroemeria one to start :)
2011-01-03 00324, 2011
kepstin
i'm currently pondering whether to rewrite all of the "composer" credits on the album art to "arranger", because the songs were originally composed by ZUN, of course...
2011-01-03 00354, 2011
kepstin
of course for most of these the arranger is usually responsible for some additional composition as well...
2011-01-03 00333, 2011
KingJ
Heh, Touhou remixes really are a minefield of problems and inconsistencies
2011-01-03 00308, 2011
Muz
FauxFaux: ^ it's dad! The entire house is here!
2011-01-03 00302, 2011
FauxFaux
Nooo!
2011-01-03 00303, 2011
kepstin ponders which to do next: red or blue.
2011-01-03 00315, 2011
Muz
Pink!
2011-01-03 00337, 2011
kepstin
...
2011-01-03 00309, 2011
kepstin
would have been cool if they had a pink album in this set, but no; only black, red, and blue...
2011-01-03 00302, 2011
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KingJ
I guess we're leaving it as-is then?
2011-01-03 00342, 2011
kepstin
unless you can think of something better :)
2011-01-03 00311, 2011
kepstin
I put those in as regular edits instead of autoedits so people can vote and comment on them, hopefully some other people will check them too :)
2011-01-03 00348, 2011
KingJ
Well, i'd prefer to attribute as listed but not sure if I have the heart to vote 'No'
2011-01-03 00317, 2011
kepstin
yeah, one of the great questions of musicbrainz; are we trying to simply catalog all of the credits as given, or are we trying to represent the reality of how the music was made...
2011-01-03 00315, 2011
kepstin
hmm. the album art of these uses mixed case, e.g. Third Ensemble: Rouge
2011-01-03 00314, 2011
kepstin
the alstroemeria one uses small-caps, which makes it harder to tell, but I think it does as well.
2011-01-03 00359, 2011
KingJ
I'd personally side with mixed-case because it looks a lot nicer ;)
Takes a fair amount of time to do each one, esepcially with all of those relationships
2011-01-03 00354, 2011
kepstin
yeah
2011-01-03 00325, 2011
kepstin
hmm. that's kind of annoying, blue has an arrange of a track from the "Double Spoiler" game, which hasn't been added to musicbrainz yet
2011-01-03 00330, 2011
kepstin skips it for now...
2011-01-03 00311, 2011
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jkrebs
is there supposed to be data in tag_relation...?
2011-01-03 00300, 2011
jkrebs
i loaded mbdump.tar.bz2, mbdump-derived.tar.bz2 and mbdump-artistrelation.tar.bz2, but the table appears to be empty
2011-01-03 00316, 2011
kepstin
Hmm. I know some of the user-related info is not included in the database exports - is that the table that's supposed to map tags to users? It might be empty on purpose then in the exports.
but you still have to do a lot of editing in the release editor
2011-01-03 00355, 2011
omgyja
is there any date when NGS will be released ?
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Mineo was travelling with an ICE train on new years - apparently they all have some numbers on them looking just like deutsche grammophon/decca cat numbers
