"Attempting to create a generic purpose one that handles special characters of multiple languages is brain dead because there may be other rules that affect alphabetization in them."
2011-04-01 09121, 2011
warp
and yet, that is exactly what we have to attempt in musicbrainz :)
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caller_6
mostly I like her enthusiasm
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jesus2099
nikki; I replied in http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=14273514 (because you don't receive my emails any more) . I'm moving the release to the artist name that's on the package (like Artist Credit in NGS). Isn't this the way to do for best situation possible in NGS?
Hm.. is anyone familiar with genpuid tool and m3lib cache format? I wonder if it's possible to create cron job that goes over my music collection and generates PUIDs for songs that do not have one yet.
2011-04-01 09123, 2011
lidel
But since I have over 25k songs in library, some kind of cache is required, to parse only new ones. Any ideas?
2011-04-01 09101, 2011
Wizzcat
assuming you're tagging your songs with the puid it really shouldn't take that long to check each one for whether or not a puid exists
2011-04-01 09150, 2011
lidel
Wizzcat, good point. Is Picard always adding PUIDs, or only when I explicitly did fingerprint lookup on that file?
2011-04-01 09142, 2011
Wizzcat
I'm not actually sure, probably not unless you scan.
2011-04-01 09144, 2011
Wizzcat
Personally I've rather stopped caring about PUIDs, an MBID is more valuable in a library.
2011-04-01 09125, 2011
warp has never used pweeeds.
2011-04-01 09105, 2011
reosarevok used them only once, to try to find what was in an iPod where half the tracks had become FREA or LKFE or the like
2011-04-01 09117, 2011
lidel
I wonder what is current status of PUIDs.. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Summer_Of_Code_Ideas states: "Acoustic fingerprinting projects: There are new and open acoustic fingerprint projects coming out soon, so we don't need to focus on this."
2011-04-01 09118, 2011
lidel
Seems that they will be replaced/superseded by open solution in future
2011-04-01 09130, 2011
lidel
*with ;-)
2011-04-01 09108, 2011
Wizzcat
luks already has a promising one going. No idea whether it will be tied to mbz officially or not.
2011-04-01 09142, 2011
Wizzcat
But yes, the closed-sourceness of PUIDs is a pretty big turnoff.
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reosarevok
Yeah, there are several things being worked on in the fingerprinting field
2011-04-01 09111, 2011
reosarevok
Hopefully all open
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luks
Wizzcat: it won't be
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ijabz
luks, why isnt your soln being adopted by mb ?
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reosarevok
If a release is only available for streaming (for example, in Bandcamp) but not for download / digital sale / physical sale / anything… is it still a release? Is it a bunch of standalone recordings? If a release, what should the release events be?
hello world. how much more would you pay for an ISP that isn't evil? arrgh. I hate having to make these decisions. Why is the evil one never the expensive one?
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warp
caller_6: I don't pay _much_ more, but I do settle for less bandwidth.
2011-04-01 09157, 2011
hawke_
lidel / caller_6: regarding the unicode moratorium, the way I’ve been handling it is to avoid entering edits changing ascii→unicode, but new stuff I still enter with Unicode.
2011-04-01 09101, 2011
Tecfan
reosarevok, more like a non-album track.
2011-04-01 09104, 2011
hawke_
Just so that it doesn’t make even more work for later
2011-04-01 09137, 2011
Tecfan
caller_6, to make you jelly: my isp upgrades my line from 15/15 to 40/40 for free :D
2011-04-01 09141, 2011
caller_6
hawke_: makes sense.
2011-04-01 09159, 2011
lidel
hawke_, yes, that was the case (edit was to change ascii to unicode)
2011-04-01 09110, 2011
caller_6
My ISP problem is, would I pay more for a local company that doesn't throttle torrents. Which makes me put price on an ideal. Which makes me evil too.
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hawke_
caller_6: Is it evil to only patronize companies who act in your preferred way, even if they’re more expensive?
2011-04-01 09144, 2011
caller_6
hawke_: It's evil to have to ask myself "at what price will I abandon a principle".
2011-04-01 09127, 2011
hawke_
Heh.
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caller_6 will stop grumbling about it
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hawke_
I think it’s just a balance of evlis
2011-04-01 09137, 2011
hawke_
*evils
2011-04-01 09103, 2011
hawke_
On the one hand, restrictions of activity…on the other, price gouging. :-)
2011-04-01 09131, 2011
caller_6
I was thinking of it more as, on one hand a huge communications company is treating the internet into a fancy television channel; on the other hand, I'm broke. :P
2011-04-01 09101, 2011
caller_6
not treating, "making"
2011-04-01 09158, 2011
warp
throttling torrents? wtf?
2011-04-01 09149, 2011
warp
caller_6: I would definitely avoid giving money to such a company if I could avoid it.
This straddles the line between "cover" and "arrangement" in my mind, since the instrumentation is so different. I'll listen to it for a bit before weighing in.
2011-04-01 09118, 2011
reosarevok
Well, when you decide just make the edit (or not) ;)
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caller_6
is writing about music databases like dancing about information architecture?
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konr
I've seen an mp3 file with IDs for its album, artist and track - this is done by musicbrainz, right?
2011-04-01 09149, 2011
konr
Can I do something like this to all my music?
2011-04-01 09142, 2011
creature
konr: Yep. Using Picard is the easiest way. It's an automatic tagging program.
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konr
What can I do in case picard doesn't find an album?
2011-04-01 09152, 2011
creature
Is it an album you think should be found?
2011-04-01 09153, 2011
konr
well, I can find it on amazon :)
2011-04-01 09158, 2011
konr
it's a classical music album
2011-04-01 09152, 2011
creature
Well. If you can find it on MusicBrainz, you can click the 'tagger' icon and get it 'imported' into Picard that way. (Though to get that icon I think you have to get to MB via Picard in the first place.)
2011-04-01 09107, 2011
creature
If not, you can add it (Taking note of the Classical Style Guide, obviously), and then tag your files.
2011-04-01 09102, 2011
konr
will the musicbrainz_trackid and related tags be generated?
2011-04-01 09130, 2011
creature
Yep.
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konr
Is the only way to add releases from the web interface?
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konr
Are there alternatives interfaces for musicbrainz, or a lib to code one?
2011-04-02 09230, 2011
nikki
unfortunately the web interface is the only want to add releases
2011-04-02 09238, 2011
nikki
er, the only way
2011-04-02 09250, 2011
nikki
there are libs out there for reading data from mb though
2011-04-02 09253, 2011
konr
nikki: it wouldn't be hard to write a client to deal with it, right?
2011-04-02 09215, 2011
konr
with the adding process
2011-04-02 09224, 2011
nikki
hmm... it's not hard to write things to seed the release editor
2011-04-02 09257, 2011
nikki
but submitting an entire release without using the web interface at all is harder since you'd need to find artist ids and stuff, and I doubt we'd condone it right now for various reasons
2011-04-02 09206, 2011
nikki
it is something quite a few people have expressed an interest in though
