another words if edit is not applied yes, but new information founded, how I must act?
2011-05-01 12112, 2011
dubwai
*yet
2011-05-01 12117, 2011
luks
generally yes, you can only cancel the edit and make a new one
2011-05-01 12126, 2011
luks
but I can approve this one if you want
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dubwai
I've said yes but I really not sure with release date I am googled a lot, on official site and on all wikis and fan sites and even cd cover date is 2002, but if i search for barcode date only 21 January 2003
2011-05-01 12132, 2011
dubwai
It's really promblem to me, beacuse it's not only one album with same situation, I want to have in my player date 2002, but add this year to musicbrainz i think mistake
ok, done, sorry for the confusion caused by approving the edit :(
2011-05-01 12119, 2011
nikki has seem far more confusing things :P
2011-05-01 12134, 2011
nikki
seen too
2011-05-01 12147, 2011
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dubwai
nikki realy thank for you link archive.org. I am stupid try only Young Tree Recodrs site witch doesn't work. Now I found all original release dates :-)
2011-05-01 12115, 2011
nikki
cool :)
2011-05-01 12116, 2011
dubwai
for Yong Tree releases of course :-)
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dubwai
I think MB must support "copiright date"
2011-05-01 12109, 2011
dubwai
because many people use MB as database for their tags and for example when they get tags for Hebron Gate and date 2003 they may disapointed because on the net date in 90% is 2002
2011-05-01 12154, 2011
dubwai
even offisial site have date 2002, but with news that worldwide release was in 2003
2011-05-01 12127, 2011
flamingspinach
I want to enter a classical album but the track names are all in german - how do I twist them around to match the ClassicalStyleGuide?
2011-05-01 12143, 2011
flamingspinach
Do I just try to follow the style guide except with german words?
2011-05-01 12103, 2011
flamingspinach
or should I just enter the tracknames as is?
2011-05-01 12153, 2011
flamingspinach
never mind, there do appear to be accomodations for that in the style guide...
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ktosiek
Hi! How do I add tracks with multiple artist? I'm importing a CD from FreeDB
2011-05-01 12119, 2011
ktosiek
ok, found it in the docs
2011-05-01 12127, 2011
nikki
any german speakers around?
2011-05-01 12129, 2011
nikki
bah. not even mineo
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symphonick
Ubuntu is upgrading, wish me luck...
2011-05-01 12122, 2011
reosarevok
Isn't this the upgrade that makes it be based in some not-GNOME thing?
2011-05-01 12123, 2011
reosarevok
I wonder how big of a change that is
2011-05-01 12105, 2011
luks
the old GNOME UI is still there
2011-05-01 12115, 2011
luks
but I wouldn't upgrade that close after release anyway :)
2011-05-01 12130, 2011
nikki is still using 8.10 on her eee because she daren't update it
2011-05-01 12159, 2011
nikki
at first it was like "uh oh... too close after the release...", now it's "uh oh... too long ago"
2011-05-01 12110, 2011
luks
I'd really like to upgrade this laptop, but I'm afraid it will break everything :(
2011-05-01 12118, 2011
luks
the last release was not that bad though
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nikki nods
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nikki
I told simon the last time he upgraded that it would break, and it did
2011-05-01 12152, 2011
Snartal
luks, I see you have been working on an open source finger printing technology... think its going to replace musicip?
2011-05-01 12133, 2011
luks
that's my no-so-secret goal, yes, but it has a very long way to go :)
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Snartal
Not to get too techie, but I assume a fingerprinting technolgy produces the same fingerprint accross wav, flac, mp3?
2011-05-01 12123, 2011
luks
similar fingerprint, not necessarily the same
2011-05-01 12115, 2011
luks
they are always compared to similarity and if it passes certain threshold, it considers the two fingerprints be the same track
2011-05-01 12126, 2011
luks
s/to/for/
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Snartal
So, I guess depending on the threshold set, determines the number of muliple fingerprints per song.
2011-05-01 12126, 2011
luks
correct
2011-05-01 12143, 2011
Snartal
Any ballpark estimate of how many multiple fingerprints you are getting for the exact same song percentagewise? Your or even if you know the current technology in use on MB.
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luks
Snartal: that's hard to say, the thresholds in my implementation are not final, I want to define song as MusicBrainz recording, so I'll wait until most recordings are properly merged in MB NGS before evalulating the threshold choice
2011-05-01 12136, 2011
luks
but, currently the top track in my database has 30 fingerprints
2011-05-01 12137, 2011
luks
on average I have 1.16 fingerprint per track
2011-05-01 12150, 2011
luks
but the database is not very big, so it doesn't say much
2011-05-01 12107, 2011
luks
and I have no idea about MusicDNS, the technology is a blackbox from our point of view
2011-05-01 12150, 2011
luks
oh, I was wrong, the top track has 58 fingerprints :)
it's not because the fingerpriting technology doesn't know the difference between the tracks
2011-05-01 12145, 2011
luks
it's because people submit garbage to the database
2011-05-01 12121, 2011
Snartal
Well, there is one of the issues for 20 PUID for the same album/track/release. Can't sort out the garbage.
2011-05-01 12141, 2011
luks
I think that the only way to sort it out is to delete anything questionable
2011-05-01 12157, 2011
luks
if it was a mistake, it will get submitted again
2011-05-01 12104, 2011
Snartal
Assuming a fingerprinting tech is highly accurate..... there shouldn't be muliple PUID per song.
2011-05-01 12127, 2011
luks
that would be ideal, but it's not realistic
2011-05-01 12131, 2011
Snartal
song/album/release..... I should say.
2011-05-01 12117, 2011
Snartal
Not realistic from the point of fingerprinting technology, or from the point of users submissions?
2011-05-01 12124, 2011
luks
technology
2011-05-01 12151, 2011
luks
if you aim for one ID per song, you will necessarily get false positives
2011-05-01 12100, 2011
luks
but it depends heavily on what you define "song" to be
2011-05-01 12146, 2011
Snartal
So, in a nutshell, fingerprint technology is good, but a high level of accuracy, say 99.99% is just not there yet.
2011-05-01 12131, 2011
luks
I don't think it will every be there
2011-05-01 12103, 2011
luks
things get very fuzzy in corner cases, sometimes you really just can't tell what is a different song and what isn't
2011-05-01 12139, 2011
Snartal
Yea, no matter what, you always will have Alpha and Beta risk/error.
2011-05-01 12115, 2011
Snartal
With the large percentage of error coming from humans - lol
2011-05-01 12125, 2011
Snartal
Thanks for the convo, it was intereting.
2011-05-01 12133, 2011
Snartal
interesting.
2011-05-01 12133, 2011
Snartal
Do folks think it should be a bit more clear that an artist legal name should not be an alias? It is not mentioned in this doc.... http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Artist_Alias
I guess I'm not seeing it there. At least is doesn't appear as clear as in http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Same_Artist_With_Diffe… .... where it talks about legal name, and specifically mentions ArtistAnnoation.
