there's the "あか" (red) and "あお" (blue) versions, and the only difference is the cover art and the second track.
2011-08-19 23154, 2011
hawke_
derwin: Heh, unfortunately that uses fb too.
2011-08-19 23132, 2011
kepstin-laptop
hmm. I dunno, it might make sense to split those two singles into separate release groups... maybe :/
2011-08-19 23152, 2011
nikki wouldn't
2011-08-19 23156, 2011
hawke_
I think it would.
2011-08-19 23109, 2011
nikki
why?
2011-08-19 23125, 2011
nikki
it's not uncommon for that to happen, and it's ridiculously common for uk singles
2011-08-19 23158, 2011
hawke_
Well, most of my opinion on singles is based on real singles (2 tracks), so maybe I’m way off. But I wouldn’t put two singles in the same RG just because they have one track in common.
2011-08-19 23125, 2011
kepstin-laptop
hawke_: those really only have two tracks; it's the same a-side and an alternate b-side, plus some bonus material.
2011-08-19 23144, 2011
kepstin-laptop
(you don't count karaoke tracks ;)
2011-08-19 23101, 2011
hawke_
kepstin-laptop: I’d definitely make those different RGs then.
2011-08-19 23142, 2011
Leftmost
I think as long as the A-side is the same, it's the same release group. Almost every single I've dealt with has had different B-sides in different countries.
2011-08-19 23157, 2011
kepstin-laptop
these were released with the specific intent of making people buy the same single twice to get both b-sides, and make more money.
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nikki
kepstin-laptop: isn't that usually the case? :P
2011-08-19 23143, 2011
Leftmost
And, as nikki said, the UK tends to release multiple singles (usually a CD1 and CD2, though not a two-disc set) with the same A-side and different B-sides. That would be a lot of release group noise, I think.
2011-08-19 23148, 2011
nikki
like version A + dvd A, version B + dvd B, version C + photobook, version D = normal edition for cheap sods
2011-08-19 23100, 2011
kepstin-laptop
amusingly, the two special-edition releases (5-digit catalog numbers) included a DVD with a music video of the same song, but the music videos were slightly different as well.
2011-08-19 23122, 2011
hawke_
Leftmost: I think singles implicitly have a lot of RG noise, given the low track-to-release ratio
2011-08-19 23128, 2011
Leftmost
It's true, but that to me sounds like an argument for not having more.
2011-08-19 23149, 2011
kepstin-laptop
huh. I should actually check the album art for those again
2011-08-19 23106, 2011
kepstin-laptop
I'm not sure if the "red/blue version" text was actually part of the release title on the release itself
2011-08-19 23118, 2011
kepstin-laptop
they used it on the discography page for the artist/label to tell them apart
2011-08-19 23124, 2011
kepstin-laptop
so it might fit better as a comment.
2011-08-19 23128, 2011
hawke_
It may also make a difference how it’s actually named.
2011-08-19 23144, 2011
hawke_
Older singles tend to have no names, just an A side and a B side
2011-08-19 23104, 2011
kepstin-laptop
the name of this is just the name of the a side, and a "red/blue version" note.
2011-08-19 23109, 2011
hawke_
While newer ones (post-1980 or so) are typically named after a prominent track
2011-08-19 23141, 2011
kepstin-laptop pulls out the album art for these...
2011-08-19 23156, 2011
kepstin-laptop
version text was /not/ printed on the releases themselves
So we just have to make sure we don't include artists post-1940. :)
2011-08-19 23144, 2011
hawke_
why 1940?
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Leftmost
Because that person died in 1940, so it was an arbitrary decision.
2011-08-19 23148, 2011
hawke_
Ah. :-D
2011-08-19 23140, 2011
hawke_
I wish the recordings page would indicate how many releases a given recording appeared on
2011-08-19 23146, 2011
bitmap
kepstin-laptop: there's %_releasecomment% too
2011-08-19 23101, 2011
kepstin-laptop
bitmap: cool. I need to start using that.
2011-08-19 23118, 2011
kepstin-laptop
otherwise I'm gonna be getting release collisions next time I retag my music :)
2011-08-19 23106, 2011
kepstin-laptop
or maybe I should just include the cat. number in my filenames
2011-08-19 23136, 2011
bitmap
%_recordingcomment% and %_releasecomment% are the only ones added, since artist comments would be impossible to use, and I'm not sure how useful RG comments would be
2011-08-19 23139, 2011
nikki
ooh, that's an idea
2011-08-19 23109, 2011
bitmap includes cat#s in his release titles when there's duplicates
2011-08-19 23124, 2011
kepstin-laptop
bitmap: picard can't automatically detect dups, tho, can it?
2011-08-19 23131, 2011
bitmap
no :/
2011-08-19 23154, 2011
kepstin-laptop periodically retags >20k songs by dumping them all into picard and clicking "save" :(
2011-08-19 23116, 2011
nikki
that's why it'd be cooler if picard had some concept of a library, so it knew what you already have and hence what you want to disambiguate :P
2011-08-19 23131, 2011
bitmap
I don't have that many albums with the same artist *and* title, so I just disambiguate them manually
2011-08-19 23140, 2011
kepstin-laptop
honestly, I wouldn't mind going with {artistmbid}/{releasembid}/{recordingmbid}, except that I still browse the files manually ocassionally :)
2011-08-19 23138, 2011
CatCat
i think works (and recordings?) should have a "date".. would like to capture the date or date range that say, beethoven composed the ninth sympony
2011-08-19 23139, 2011
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kepstin-laptop
CatCat: that can already be captured using the 'date' on the composed ar in the work.
2011-08-19 23111, 2011
kepstin-laptop
start/end dates.
2011-08-19 23124, 2011
cjk32
Possibly silly question: How do I force the creation of a new release group in the release editor, even when there are existing release groups of the desired name?
2011-08-19 23125, 2011
CatCat
ars shouldnt have data ranges imho
2011-08-19 23131, 2011
CatCat
date*
2011-08-19 23155, 2011
kepstin-laptop
cjk32: unless there's a bug, you can do it by typing in something, then simply selecting nothing from the dropdown
2011-08-19 23108, 2011
hawke_
kepstin-laptop: I suspect there’s a bug.
2011-08-19 23110, 2011
kepstin-laptop
(clicking outside)
2011-08-19 23114, 2011
CatCat
only "artist was member of group" and "x was married ot y" tpe
2011-08-19 23143, 2011
CatCat
the other could have a date. but not a date range
2011-08-19 23143, 2011
kepstin-laptop
CatCat: I have a track which was composed by X in april, then had lyrics written by Y in may. How do you handle that?
2011-08-19 23156, 2011
CatCat
^^^^
2011-08-19 23114, 2011
hawke_
CatCat: Or a work which took 4 years to compose…
2011-08-19 23126, 2011
cjk32
Possibly a bug then, I'm pretty sure I selected nothing the first time I was on the first tab, but the final tab showed it as being added to an existing release group.
2011-08-19 23127, 2011
CatCat
people so very often missuse it thoguh
2011-08-19 23156, 2011
kepstin-laptop
cjk32: yeah, there are bugs like that :)
2011-08-19 23110, 2011
cjk32
Having returned to the first tab, I've definitely selected an existing release group, and certainly can't find a way to unselect
2011-08-19 23110, 2011
kepstin-laptop
cjk32: you can always manually add the release group before using the release editor.
2011-08-19 23113, 2011
CatCat
i stil think recordings sould have a ate. and compositinos (worsk)
2011-08-19 23126, 2011
CatCat
sure they could be mined for mthe ars
2011-08-19 23138, 2011
kepstin-laptop
cjk32: in fact, you can manually add a release group in a separate browser tab, then link it in your still-open release editor
2011-08-19 23138, 2011
cjk32
Ah yes, there's a direct search option, so I don't need to wait for reindexing. Will do just that.
2011-08-19 23114, 2011
CatCat
cjk32: or use a bogus name and rename it later... i'll auto aprove it for you
2011-08-19 23125, 2011
CatCat
(the rename)
2011-08-19 23156, 2011
kepstin-laptop
CatCat: I don't think a date on the recording/work is useful, unless it's simply automatically derived from the other ARs, and used for presentation only.
2011-08-19 23121, 2011
cjk32
CatCat: Thanks for the offer, though I'd already added a new group by the time I saw it.
