does anyone here understand how loud a track is when I have comment[1]: REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN=-3.08 dB
2012-03-01 06118, 2012
derwin
?
2012-03-01 06153, 2012
tommy_o
an
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jacobbrett
Should remasters also have recording-work "performance of" relationships?
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ijabz
ruaok: ping
2012-03-01 06152, 2012
amino_away
jacobbrett: yes, they should
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reosarevok
On twitter "if you're too lazy to fix your mistake when it pointed out to you, it doesn't become my job to wipe your arse. get fucked #musicbrainz" wtf :p
2012-03-01 06130, 2012
nikki
I can't quite decide whether that's supposed to be positive or negative :P
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reosarevok
Avoiding someone with that behaviour in MB?
2012-03-01 06133, 2012
reosarevok calls positive
2012-03-01 06131, 2012
nikki
avoiding who?
2012-03-01 06113, 2012
nikki
to me it reads like someone encountered someone along the lines of a certain editor who tells people he doesn't give a shit and that they should fix his mistakes themselves
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reosarevok
Does it?
2012-03-01 06118, 2012
nikki
yes
2012-03-01 06120, 2012
reosarevok
To me it feels like "you're not perfect, fuck off"
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nikki
I suppose it depends whether you read the hash tag as part of the sentence or not
nikki: same guy who earlier said "musicbrainz editors are obnoxious, lazy fuckwads. if you're not going to do something properly and correctly, just fuck the hell off."
2012-03-01 06138, 2012
reosarevok
So he might be OK with MB itself, but clearly has too high expectations :p
2012-03-01 06154, 2012
nikki
that makes it sound even more like what I read it as :P
2012-03-01 06113, 2012
reosarevok
Dunno
2012-03-01 06132, 2012
reosarevok
But if he has the same style in edit notes, I'd still prefer him not to edit :p
It works now, so chances are pretty high it will make it worse
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reosarevok bravely/stupidly clicks
2012-03-01 06114, 2012
reosarevok
Oh, not too big a change. Good then
2012-03-01 06139, 2012
nikki doesn't understand the world's obsession with omg new look! every 5 minutes
2012-03-01 06133, 2012
nikki
it's as annoying as the supermarkets moving things around all the damn time. all that happens is that I can't find what I want and end up going somewhere else where I know where to find it ¬_¬
2012-03-01 06141, 2012
reosarevok
In the supermarkets it makes sense
2012-03-01 06156, 2012
reosarevok
As most people will keep looking instead and buy more stuff they see while they look
2012-03-01 06104, 2012
reosarevok
But in the web? No idea
2012-03-01 06130, 2012
reosarevok
I guess it makes complaints harder
2012-03-01 06148, 2012
reosarevok
"Bring back the old Google!" "No, the other old Google!" "No, the other one!"
2012-03-01 06158, 2012
nikki
it's just confirmation that I'm strange :<
2012-03-01 06127, 2012
nikki
because I don't start buying other stuff just because I have to walk up and down aisles trying to find what I want
2012-03-01 06117, 2012
nikki
I mean, what will I do with random bits and pieces :/ I know what I went for and I know what I plan to do with what I went for
2012-03-01 06124, 2012
reosarevok
Yeah, and I don't buy less cheap stuff because they make me look down for it
2012-03-01 06129, 2012
reosarevok
But apparently most people do
2012-03-01 06155, 2012
reosarevok
Well, I usually go shopping with the idea of "let's find food for the week"
2012-03-01 06158, 2012
nikki
you're tall though :P
2012-03-01 06121, 2012
nikki
I have to look right up so I can read through my glasses to see what the stuff on the top shelf says
2012-03-01 06124, 2012
reosarevok
So I *will* pick up random stuff if I feel like eating and it's discounted / cheap enough
2012-03-01 06157, 2012
reosarevok
(and obviously the more I walk the more of those I might see)
as stated in the edit notes, i believe the release (and all releases in this series) are of cultural significance.
2012-03-01 06151, 2012
jabawok
any australians here?
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jabawok
hi jacobbrett, btw
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CatCat
[10:15] * nikki doesn't understand the world's obsession with omg new look! every 5 minutes
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CatCat
me neither!
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Mineo
hm, I wonder what the sortname for "& The Centurions" is supposed to be…
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jacobbrett
Hey, jabawok
2012-03-01 06138, 2012
jacobbrett
I'm Australian, btw. Though, I don't pay too much attention to Triple J's charts. What did you want to ask?
2012-03-01 06114, 2012
jacobbrett
amino_: What's your rationale... I think it may be argued as redundant, though I think there may be uncommon cases were it would be necessary?
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reosarevok
Why does adding a discID to a CD add times to a vinyl?
2012-03-01 06138, 2012
reosarevok
If they shared a tracklist before adding it, surely it should just become two tracklists?
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Sekhmetouserapis
hi
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Sekhmetouserapis
I was wondering, in the cases of folk/blues songs of traditional/unknown origin, are we supposed to only have one work and use the AR arranger on the recording (easier to see all the versions of a song) or to create a different work for each version (that allows to see more clearly which version has been used by whom) ?
2012-03-01 06128, 2012
reosarevok would do the latter, but I don't think there's a clear agreement
2012-03-01 06147, 2012
Sekhmetouserapis
yeah, I began with the latter but switch to the former after seeing used a lot but, idk, I find more advantages in the original way ^^
2012-03-01 06127, 2012
reosarevok
I did add a couple things the latter way
2012-03-01 06154, 2012
reosarevok
(mainly stuff like Led Zeppelin versions of traditional songs, where people afterwards would cover LZ not the traditional song)
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reosarevok
But it's a gray area I guess
2012-03-01 06155, 2012
Sekhmetouserapis
ok
2012-03-01 06144, 2012
Sekhmetouserapis
with the latter way, I should use the AR arranger at work level, shouldn't I ?
hawke_, did you veto super jewel box? I have a super jewel box and I want to mark it! :P
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reosarevok, PM
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amino_
jacobbrett: re performance links for remasters: adding original composer credits to derived work is also redundant, but we do it
2012-03-01 06133, 2012
rswarbrick
amino_: Hopefully one day, this will be inferred by the software and then we needn't have it in the style guide.
2012-03-01 06134, 2012
amino_
and also, how do you indicate composition/lyrics credits for the remaster recording, if you don't link it to a work?
2012-03-01 06107, 2012
jacobbrett
amino_: As long as the behaviour is consistent :D ..to answer your question..by following the remaster relationship to the original master and checking its related work.
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reosarevok
Hmm
2012-03-01 06153, 2012
reosarevok
I might expect a bot to add those links to works maybe
2012-03-01 06155, 2012
amino_
jacobbrett: sure following could work, but it becomes far more complex to retrieve basic information ;)
2012-03-01 06159, 2012
reosarevok
But I'd expect them there
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jacobbrett
amino_: I suppose a database like this is bound to have complex lookups...
2012-03-01 06128, 2012
reosarevok
jacobbrett: sure, but why should we make them intentionally harder?
2012-03-01 06133, 2012
jacobbrett
reosarevok: Well, in that case, perhaps the database should store these relationships transparently, to cut down on (what I think is) semantically redundant edits.
2012-03-01 06146, 2012
rswarbrick
jacobbrett: That's not the right solution. The UI code should be inferring them automatically: I know that it doesn't at the moment, but putting workarounds in the DB code to add redundant edits is a bit silly.
2012-03-01 06133, 2012
jacobbrett
rswarbrick: That's basically the same effect I meant, though with a slightly different user interface implementation...when a remaster is linked to a master, you could just have the DB automatically add the rec-work relationship that already exists with the master. Editing the relationships at either the master or remaster would affect both relationships.
2012-03-01 06128, 2012
rswarbrick
Ick. I think I'd prefer to have a distinction between inferred relationships and manually added ones.
2012-03-01 06136, 2012
rswarbrick
It makes overriding more sane, I think.
2012-03-01 06152, 2012
jacobbrett
Why would a different work exist for a remaster?
2012-03-01 06131, 2012
rswarbrick
D'oh. I was being silly.
2012-03-01 06148, 2012
rswarbrick
I still prefer the inferred option, but I agree that the end result should be identical.
