hawke_2 I think it means "make the date of death the day the relationship ended.
2012-09-01 24539, 2012
derwin
hah, which is what caller6 said
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derwin
but like, upon death, john lennon was no longer a member of the plastic ono band?
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RootWyrm_
Yeah, thinking on it a moment, it wouldn't work thanks to the convoluted legal messes involved.
2012-09-01 24533, 2012
RootWyrm_
e.g. a deceased artist may be credited on future albums for writing work performed prior to death, may be credited for use of samples or existing recordings, may be credited just so the estate retains rights, etcetera. :/
2012-09-01 24554, 2012
derwin
+1
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derwin
huh, RootWyrm_ is a new nick in here :)
2012-09-01 24518, 2012
derwin
welcome?
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RootWyrm_
Ohai. Thanks. :)
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RootWyrm_ has been around a few days. Quietly. ;)
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derwin
nice, what are you using eh hem bee dot oh ar gee for?
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derwin
tagging, or?
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RootWyrm_
E) all of the above (inclusive filing bugs and such)
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[1]red
can anyone here help me out I am trying to setup a slave but I am new to this
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ianmcorvidae
[1]red: #musicbrainz-devel is generally a better place for questions on server setup; I'm in and out for a bit but there's several folks there (me included) who can answer questions
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[1]red
ok thanks
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_5moufl
When there's one of those grey help bubble opened in the RE, the fields below it can't be accessed by clicking them (no userscripts)
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MasterBob
should I add the composer for tracks if they are the artist themself?
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ianmcorvidae
always add ARs if you know them; the artist field doesn't have type information
2012-09-01 24523, 2012
_5moufl
you mean for the works ?
2012-09-01 24539, 2012
ianmcorvidae
i.e. if you just look at the artist field you can't know that's a composer vs. a performer or just something random they decided to credit :P
2012-09-01 24551, 2012
ianmcorvidae
(notable, of course, that works don't actually have an artist credit anyway, so)
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xplt
"Format: Digital Media"; "Packaging: Digipak" *facepalm*
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MasterBob
ianmcorvidae: O.K.! How do I?
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ianmcorvidae
MasterBob: that part is less fun, heh -- you need to add a work, link it to the relevant recording with the 'recording of' relation, and then you can add a relationship to the work
2012-09-01 24531, 2012
warp
xplt: I guess that can be true if you have a CDROM with a bunch of .mp3s/.flacs/etc..
2012-09-01 24556, 2012
ianmcorvidae
(for composer specifically -- some things get added to the recording, like the people who performed on that particular performance)
2012-09-01 24503, 2012
warp
xplt: but indeed usually it would be wrong, we could add a warning to the interface. feel free to submit an improvement request in the bug tracker :)
2012-09-01 24503, 2012
ianmcorvidae
(but I assume you mostly know that)
2012-09-01 24517, 2012
ianmcorvidae
I wonder if there isn't one already :P
2012-09-01 24501, 2012
MasterBob
No. I am just now (right this instant) getting into the fine tuned details
2012-09-01 24549, 2012
xplt
warp: there is no Disc ID, so I guess, it's a "digital only" release, just the editor was confused with the same 4 letters in words :P
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reosarevok
hawke_, ping
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_flow_
Is there a greasemonkey script that creates musicbrainz template links for wikipedia from artist, releases etc?
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reosarevok
Not that I know of. I mean, I'm not even sure what template links are
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reosarevok
You mean that it pre-formats a wiki template so you can just copy and paste?
2012-09-01 24559, 2012
reosarevok
If so, still not that I know of but should be pretty simple
would be nice if there was an easy way to add mb links to wikipedia. or is there one already?
2012-09-01 24538, 2012
Mineo
sigh - opening most links in subscription emails at once takes a while to load :/
2012-09-01 24521, 2012
Lomaxx
I'm trying to understand the MBz-Picard-AcoustID-System. I disabled the option "Ignore MBIDs when loading new files" in order to be able to scan all FLACs that I ripped. ...
2012-09-01 24522, 2012
Lomaxx
... I guess when a song is moved to the right window, then it means that it already was known with a AcoustID in MBz.
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Mineo
the acoustid -> mb recording mapping is provided by acoustid, not musicbrainz, but yes
2012-09-01 24535, 2012
Lomaxx
However the track might be sorted into a different release because the same song might appear on some compilation-CD.
2012-09-01 24534, 2012
Mineo
you can control which releases to prefer in the options (somewhere under metadata -> preferred releases)
2012-09-01 24512, 2012
Lomaxx
ok. but ...
2012-09-01 24533, 2012
Lomaxx
With deactivated MBIDs, when a track was not found it stays in the left window and i get the option to submit the AcoustID as long as I managed to assign the track to a release by using "look up".
2012-09-01 24545, 2012
Lomaxx
right?
2012-09-01 24553, 2012
Mineo
right
2012-09-01 24518, 2012
Lomaxx
Mineo, what happens If I have a track with a known AcousticID but for my collection it should be sorted into a different release for example not the compilation, but the original album.
2012-09-01 24556, 2012
Lomaxx
When I only scan it will be assigned to the compilation
2012-09-01 24549, 2012
Lomaxx
When i use look up or activated the use of MBIDs it will probably be assigned to my original album, but i can not submit the AcoustID to that.
2012-09-01 24550, 2012
Mineo
well, you can still search for the album via picards search bar and use the "tagger" button to load the album and then (in picard) move the track from the compilation release to the album
2012-09-01 24535, 2012
Mineo
if you're absolutely sure your track is ripped from the album and it still gets the same acoustid as the compilation one, you should also merge the recordings
2012-09-01 24534, 2012
Lomaxx
Mineo, but there is not autmation for that? Would be MUCH nicer if I could send AcousticIDs to a release that I specified by "look up"
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Lomaxx
and if the database sees that both CDs have a song with the same AcousticID it then could automatically merge the recordings
2012-09-01 24524, 2012
ianmcorvidae
you can send acoustids to a release you get by lookup
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Lomaxx
hmm, and how do i do that?
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ianmcorvidae
if you hit scan, then drag them back to the left from wherever they got put
2012-09-01 24550, 2012
Mineo
well, you could also scan the tracks, move them back from the right window the the middle (or left one) and then use lookup to find the release you want
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ianmcorvidae
and then move them to the correct place manually
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ianmcorvidae
then the submit button will light up
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ianmcorvidae
you'll need to have an acoustid API key configured
2012-09-01 24513, 2012
Lomaxx
I did that.
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ianmcorvidae
(you log in with your musicbrainz login/password and it gives you one, it's pretty easy :P)
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Lomaxx
ok. I will try the whole thing once I can. Right now I am waiting for some edits to be applied for new releases i submitted
2012-09-01 24558, 2012
Mineo
hey ianmcorvidae, I see you're editing a lot of the jamendo releases - could you update the label annotation to actually describe the correct way to relate releases to jamendo?
2012-09-01 24512, 2012
ianmcorvidae
Mineo: sure, I can do that
2012-09-01 24524, 2012
Mineo
the way described there currently is apparently so wrong that even bots can do better
Mineo just remembers not being allowed to change the cc relationships in a certain way as that would change it on every release linked to the license or something
2012-09-01 24549, 2012
ianmcorvidae
yeah, adding the licenses is kind of a huge pain in the ass
2012-09-01 24533, 2012
Lomaxx
Something else I haven't fully understood yet is the automatic email-notification on edits i did. I would like to be notified about changes about submissions i made even ... say ... in some years. But for that all my edits would need to be stored for that long even after they have been accepted. Will they be stored that long and notifications be send out?
2012-09-01 24534, 2012
ianmcorvidae
edits are stored forever, and if someone comments on one you'll always be sent email if that's configured
2012-09-01 24505, 2012
ianmcorvidae
for edits to artist/releases/etc., it's all a matter of if you're subscribed, and those are sent as part of the subscriptions email
2012-09-01 24537, 2012
ianmcorvidae
(though edits don't ever stop sending email, theoretically, you won't get emails for votes after they're closed, obviously, and usually people don't comment on old edits)
2012-09-01 24501, 2012
Lomaxx
ianmcorvidae, as far as I understood there are no subscriptions to releases available. Only to artists and ...not sure... labels? That's why I was looking for a way to see if someone makes changes to the releases that i submitted/edited.
2012-09-01 24527, 2012
ianmcorvidae
subscribing to the artist is the way to do that, usually
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ianmcorvidae
until we have a subscribe to collection feature, anyway
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Lomaxx
Oh, that's not good. If i submitted/edit one say Queen-CD, then I don't want to get notifications about all others of them. hmm....
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ianmcorvidae
yeah, it's not entirely optimal :)
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Lomaxx
just as life ;)
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Lomaxx
The only method I thought of was to use picard frequently to uplook everything. Once it tries to make changes, I do know that someone changed something. But then I can't comment on his changes.
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Lomaxx
And it does not track all changes, I guess.
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ianmcorvidae
Mineo: duly updated, hopefully not too obsessively long-winded :P
But I am holding the CD in my hand with the same catalogue-number and it reads: (P) 1981 (that's 11 years earlier) and "Manufactured and Marketed in Europe"
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ianmcorvidae
that suggests that's a different release then
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Lomaxx
ianmcorvidae, with the same catalogue-number? I thought that it would be uniq to a release
2012-09-01 24509, 2012
ianmcorvidae
though the linked release does mention recording dates in the 80's
2012-09-01 24533, 2012
ianmcorvidae
assuming that record labels will be particularly consistent is not usually a good assumption :)
2012-09-01 24553, 2012
ianmcorvidae
by their metric it may count as the "same release", but in MB terminology they're different
2012-09-01 24559, 2012
Lomaxx
ianmcorvidae, the discID fits two, though there are two assigned to the release. So in theory I would have to make a new release even artist,title, tracks, cover, and assign the discID to the new release?
2012-09-01 24507, 2012
Lomaxx
two=too*
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Lomaxx
I need to slow down again. I am writing faster than I am thinking.
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ianmcorvidae
haha
2012-09-01 24501, 2012
Lomaxx
but i guess you got the point
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ianmcorvidae
the first step I'd take is to make sure it's really a separate release -- see if you can find sources that talk about a european release of that album, etc.
2012-09-01 24505, 2012
ianmcorvidae
a differing date and country means a new release, but it can share the tracklist and you can use the existing release as a starting point, which should speed things substantially
2012-09-01 24502, 2012
ianmcorvidae
in general, the best way to edit is to find sources, cross-reference them with other sources (if there's any in the editing history for the existing release, maybe look there to start)
2012-09-01 24516, 2012
ianmcorvidae
and when in doubt, find more sources! ;D
2012-09-01 24533, 2012
Lomaxx
or I'll try to suppress my longing for perfection and skip it as another 1600 CDs waiting for me and I am mostly interested in the aspect of correct tagging of rips while sharing the data with others. A 100% correct database is nice, but if I spend so much time on one CD, I will have to leave out other CDs. My choice...
2012-09-01 24500, 2012
ianmcorvidae
heh, fair enough
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ianmcorvidae
definitely done that with some of mine
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ianmcorvidae
if you'd like to get this one done, what I'd say is when in doubt make a new release
2012-09-01 24503, 2012
ianmcorvidae
it's easy to merge, it's a lot harder to split, so :)
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warp
Lomaxx: indeed, there's always more releases to add :(
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warp
(which is why I rarely get around to relationships)
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ianmcorvidae
the fact our interface is pretty non-optimal for it doesn't help
2012-09-01 24514, 2012
ianmcorvidae
one classical release can take hours (if you're anyone but reosarevok :P)
2012-09-01 24511, 2012
warp
hah, I've spent slightly over two hears on a single release without adding any relationships
