the reason I have so many tabs open is that I browse in a breadth-first search kind of way
2013-07-02 18316, 2013
flamingspinach
(if you know what that is)
2013-07-02 18337, 2013
SultS
separate processes are little bit better in win8, but since chrome can’t even do the simplest things like opening a file, it is quite terrible for everyday use imo
2013-07-02 18320, 2013
kepstin-work notes that firefox on android uses a separate process per tab model, and it garbage collects processes for tabs that haven't been accessed recently.
2013-07-02 18323, 2013
flamingspinach
btw KRSCuan I hope you mean one order of magnitude up in number of tabs, not amount of memory used :P
2013-07-02 18329, 2013
kepstin-work
so if you go back to one of those tabs, it has to reload the page
2013-07-02 18335, 2013
KRSCuan
My main problem is that you don't really have page titles visible anywhere, and bookmarks begin to disappear with 25 to 30 tabs open.
2013-07-02 18337, 2013
flamingspinach
if you have firefox using only 170 MB of RAM I want to know your secret haha
2013-07-02 18349, 2013
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2013-07-02 18353, 2013
flamingspinach
why do bookmarks begin to disappear...?
2013-07-02 18355, 2013
KRSCuan
Double that number and the tab bar can't even show you all the tabs, or at least provide some way to scroll.
2013-07-02 18359, 2013
flamingspinach
ah
2013-07-02 18308, 2013
flamingspinach
yeah that's why I need the tree style tab layout extension :)
2013-07-02 18325, 2013
flamingspinach
it puts a big sidebar on the left side of the browser showing a tree of your tabs
2013-07-02 18343, 2013
flamingspinach
tree in the sense that when you open a link on a page in a new tab, the new tab becomes a child of the current tab in the tree
very handy, I can't live without this extension :)
2013-07-02 18349, 2013
KRSCuan
I don't have horizontal space to waste for something like tree tabs.
2013-07-02 18302, 2013
flamingspinach
I have too much horizontal space
2013-07-02 18309, 2013
flamingspinach
ever since 16:9 became popular my screen is way too wide
2013-07-02 18310, 2013
KRSCuan
I need to have two windows side-by-side on a monitor.
2013-07-02 18319, 2013
kepstin-work
I don't use web browsers maximized
2013-07-02 18321, 2013
flamingspinach
I need to fill space with sidebars in most of my applications :)
2013-07-02 18351, 2013
kepstin-work
... I don't maximize anything, really. I have a window manager that lets me have multiple windows on the screen, you see ;)
2013-07-02 18356, 2013
flamingspinach
I usually keep my browser maximized at least, even if I have to sometimes keep two other windows side-by-side
2013-07-02 18305, 2013
flamingspinach
on windows I just maximize everything because doing anything else is too painful
2013-07-02 18316, 2013
flamingspinach
on linux I use xmonad which is a nice tiling window manager :)
2013-07-02 18320, 2013
KRSCuan
1120 pixels wide, with a 800 pixel window beside it.
2013-07-02 18326, 2013
KRSCuan
Usually the file manager.
2013-07-02 18345, 2013
kepstin-work normally has a couple billion terminal windows and text editors open.
2013-07-02 18352, 2013
KRSCuan
IRC, mail client and instant messager on the secondary display.
2013-07-02 18344, 2013
flamingspinach
oh man, I haven't used instant messenger in so long
2013-07-02 18359, 2013
flamingspinach
seems everyone I used to talk to on instant messenger has either moved in one direction (IRC) or the other (facebook)
2013-07-02 18312, 2013
kepstin-work
my instant messenger client connects to facebook :/
2013-07-02 18316, 2013
kepstin-work
and irc.
2013-07-02 18319, 2013
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2013-07-02 18332, 2013
kepstin-work
so I talk to everyone on instant messenger ;)
2013-07-02 18336, 2013
flamingspinach
lol I see
2013-07-02 18347, 2013
flamingspinach
I always found the IRC support in general purpose IM programs to be severely lacking
2013-07-02 18307, 2013
flamingspinach
and of course facebook breaks compatibility with things all the time (or at least they used to when I tried using pidgin to connect to it)
2013-07-02 18309, 2013
kepstin-work
it's not a super-great irc client, no. but it's servicable for general chatting.
2013-07-02 18322, 2013
kepstin-work
facebook implements an xmpp api for clients now
2013-07-02 18326, 2013
flamingspinach
so in the end I just have an IRC client and then I use facebook in the browser
2013-07-02 18331, 2013
flamingspinach
oh that's good at least
2013-07-02 18343, 2013
flamingspinach
lol do you know the chinese facebook clone "renren"?
2013-07-02 18359, 2013
kepstin-work
nothing other than the name
2013-07-02 18312, 2013
flamingspinach
well a few years ago it used to be called "xiaonei", and back then they of course had something like facebook chat
2013-07-02 18319, 2013
flamingspinach
and it was XMPP back then (when facebook's was not)
2013-07-02 18322, 2013
flamingspinach
but
2013-07-02 18328, 2013
flamingspinach
I don't mean they provided an XMPP API
2013-07-02 18335, 2013
flamingspinach
I mean it was literally XMPP, implemented in javascript on the page
2013-07-02 18338, 2013
flamingspinach
and extremely slow
2013-07-02 18346, 2013
kepstin-work
huh.
2013-07-02 18351, 2013
flamingspinach
furthermore, all stuff normally done by AJAX was routed through this XMPP connection
2013-07-02 18310, 2013
flamingspinach
haha
2013-07-02 18354, 2013
kepstin-work is just annoyed that skype doesn't allow connections by third-party programs, so he can't have skype in his multiprotocol im client :/
2013-07-02 18306, 2013
flamingspinach
doesn't skype have giant NSA backdoors :P
2013-07-02 18321, 2013
kepstin-work
not any more than any other chat protocol without end to end encryption
2013-07-02 18332, 2013
flamingspinach
well unlike many other chat protocols without end to end encryption, there is verified logging of your conversations on a central server since you can download backlog (afaik, I don't use skype myself)
2013-07-02 18333, 2013
kepstin-work
(notably, in most settings when doing single-user voice/video calls, skype actually runs in a peer-to-peer mode without a recording backdoor)
2013-07-02 18350, 2013
flamingspinach
er, talking about the text chat in skype
2013-07-02 18351, 2013
kepstin-work
the backlog feature is quite useful for me, but yeah :)
2013-07-02 18313, 2013
kepstin-work
google talk also has similar backlog (it actually stores backlog in the gmail email store...)
2013-07-02 18320, 2013
flamingspinach
there was talk when microsoft bought skype that they were compromising that peer-to-peer mode by adding some sort of central "super-peers" controlled by microsoft, or something
2013-07-02 18330, 2013
flamingspinach
sure, nobody expects google talk to be private haha
2013-07-02 18350, 2013
kepstin-work
skype always had super-peers for relay when two people behind nat call eachother.
2013-07-02 18322, 2013
flamingspinach
previously those were just random peers in the network that were elevated to that status, if I understand correctly
2013-07-02 18345, 2013
kepstin-work
yeah, true.
2013-07-02 18308, 2013
kepstin-work
but I dunno if running random nodes as superpeers vs. going through microsoft-controlled nodes would be better ;)
2013-07-02 18312, 2013
SultS remembers times when microsoft owned IM client was actually good and not full of bloat :)
2013-07-02 18344, 2013
flamingspinach
MS IM clients have always been bloated, look at MS Comic Chat :P
2013-07-02 18359, 2013
kepstin-work notes that you can connect to microsoft live instant messenger via xmpp as well.
2013-07-02 18307, 2013
kepstin-work notes that this is *not* integrated with skype
2013-07-02 18344, 2013
kepstin-work
it's unclear what's going to happen with the xmpp gateway as they're doing this migrate to skype thing.
2013-07-02 18357, 2013
SultS
I had never heard of ms comic chat before :P
2013-07-02 18331, 2013
flamingspinach
ms comic chat is pretty fun lol
2013-07-02 18333, 2013
kepstin-work
it looks like anyone who has migrated to the skype client no longer shows up in my msn messenger buddy list as online :/
2013-07-02 18340, 2013
SultS
but i stopped using ms im when they released live messenger 9.0 or something… used digsby for a while, but now pretty much nobody I know uses messenger anymore, so… :P
2013-07-02 18325, 2013
kepstin-work
and since I basically only log into sky from linux and my phone, my skype and msn accounts aren't merged.
2013-07-02 18349, 2013
CallerNo6 got sucked into http://usesthis.com/ yesterday. Now he's sucked into #my-musicbrainz-setup.
2013-07-02 18307, 2013
kepstin-work
skype on linux is awesome. No ads, simple and clean user interface :)
2013-07-02 18319, 2013
kepstin-work
also, no animated emoticons.
2013-07-02 18354, 2013
SultS
I have almost nobody in skype, so I don’t really use that either :P
11xCD opera compilations with one different soloist per track take a fucking long time to enter :(
2013-07-02 18346, 2013
reosarevok approved those edits
2013-07-02 18314, 2013
reosarevok was again going to ask why you didn't do it yourself. Stop being a normal user already, Mineo!
2013-07-02 18315, 2013
reosarevok
:p
2013-07-02 18351, 2013
hawke_1
can we get rid of the autoeditor system already? :-p
2013-07-02 18300, 2013
Mineo
well, to be precise, I did *vote* on them :)
2013-07-02 18324, 2013
kepstin-work
nah, need NES before we can get rid of the autoeditor system :)
2013-07-02 18352, 2013
hawke_1
True
2013-07-02 18326, 2013
flamingspinach
CallerNo6: people have killed their grandsons plenty of times, even without time machines...
2013-07-02 18332, 2013
flamingspinach
oh, I misread
2013-07-02 18325, 2013
CallerNo6
flamingspinach: yes, so hawke_ may have the advantage in this battle
2013-07-02 18348, 2013
flamingspinach
kepstin-work: how will NES help us get rid of autoeditors?
2013-07-02 18353, 2013
flamingspinach
and what exactly do you mean by "get rid of"?
2013-07-02 18305, 2013
flamingspinach
will everyone be an autoeditor because rollbacks will be easier?
2013-07-02 18324, 2013
reosarevok
Everyone *could* be, at most
2013-07-02 18334, 2013
reosarevok
at the moment I don't think there are any plans to change that
2013-07-02 18337, 2013
reosarevok shrugs
2013-07-02 18344, 2013
reosarevok
We'll see if and when NES is close to finished
2013-07-02 18346, 2013
kepstin-work
in NES, the idea is that all edits could be made visible immediately, so there is no need for a specific class of user to make things show up immediately
2013-07-02 18359, 2013
kepstin-work
on the other hand, it might make sense then to have an auto-un-editor who could reject things that are obviously wrong immediately; depends how it goes ;)
2013-07-02 18329, 2013
culinko
why are the weird things always happening to me? :/
2013-07-02 18351, 2013
hawke_1
Why is it that the recordings tab is paginated, but the relationships tab is not?
2013-07-02 18323, 2013
kepstin-work
good question.
2013-07-02 18339, 2013
kepstin-work notes that the relationships tab could really use some tablization as well.
