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      • reosarevok
        Hmm
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      • reosarevok
        Picard-geeks, if I wanted to tag tracks based on their relationships, could I do that with tagger script stuff?
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      • reosarevok
        (some guy is complaining about us not having performers on artist for classical)
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      • Mineo
        reosarevok: as a german my answer is "jein", a mixture of "ja" and "nein" - you *can* use tags like %performer:violin% (or any other instrument) in the file naming script, but you have to know the instrument or whatever beforehand
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      • nikki
        hehehe
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      • nikki
        german is so much more fun for answering questions
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      • reosarevok
        God, that's horrible
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      • reosarevok
        There's no way to select all performer tags? :/
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      • Mineo
        (in theory, one could write a plugin to merge all performer:whatever tags into one multi-valued %allperformers% tag though)
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      • reosarevok
        I guess the guy is right then in that there's no good way to tag classical with Picard, meh :(
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      • reosarevok
        I was hoping to prove him wrong!
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      • nikki still thinks our classical style is pointlessly as difficult as possible for everyone
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      • reosarevok
        Heh
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah, having composers *and* performers on tracks would probably make more sense
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      • reosarevok
        But well
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      • reosarevok
        (composers still make no sense on recordings though)
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      • reosarevok
        Of course the ideal thing would be not to have any arbitrary artists and just use relationships for all, but
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      • reosarevok shrugs
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: So... what other tagger does he know of that does this well and easily since he's complaining that Picard can't?
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      • reosarevok
        None, that's what he's complaining about :p
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      • reosarevok
        (that not even Picard can do it well, so the only choice is doing it by hand)
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      • Freso
        Wait, is he complaining that there's no tagger in general or that Picard can't specifically?
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      • reosarevok
        Well, he was complaining not even MB does it well enough
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      • Freso
        Because the first is definitely a valid issue, but the 2nd is moot if there are no other taggers that can do it, IMHO.
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      • reosarevok
        So, both?
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      • reosarevok
        It was basically "meh, all taggers suck for classical, even Picard which is good for the rest"
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      • reosarevok
        Which seemingly is true :(
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      • reosarevok
        And I mean, that no other taggers can do it shouldn't be a reason we can't do better, we're supposed to be better than them anyway ;)
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      • snartal
        Is there something missing from the AR extra tags picard gives you?
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      • reosarevok
        Yes, any player that can use them :p
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      • snartal
        Isn't that a player issue, and not a picard issue?
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      • Freso
        snartal: You didn't say the missing thing had to be a Picard issue.
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      • reosarevok
        Technically yes, it's a player issue
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      • reosarevok
        In practice, us having no clear way of letting users put the performers somewhere their player can see is kinda both :/
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      • nikki
        the point of tagging your files is to add information to the files that you can use :P
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      • nikki
        we could start stripping all tags except for mbids and claiming it's a player issue if they can't fetch the data from mb, but that wouldn't go down well
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      • nikki
        since that's not much use :P
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      • Mineo
        reosarevok: heh, turns out I was wrong: there's https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/MusicBrainz_Picard/D… which, if invoked like $performer() will give you a comma-separated list of all performers
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      • reosarevok
        Oooh, nice!
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      • snartal
        So, with that info, does Picard go back to being the most super awesomeus tagger in the universe?
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      • reosarevok
        Well it still was, other taggers aren't better :p
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      • larsduesing
        Hi all...
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      • larsduesing
        Short question: is there any way to tell the database that a release is part of a series (like "Now! Thats what I call music" in US/UK or "Bravo Hits" in Germany)?
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      • nikki
        no, not yet
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      • nikki
        but as you can probably guess from the number of votes on http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-2714 it's quite a popular idea :)
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      • larsduesing
        oh.. ok.. going to upvote the idea :)
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      • larsduesing
        thanks nikki
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      • JonnyJD_
        the "next disc in series" AR got removed somewhen?
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      • reosarevok_
        Did it ever exist?
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      • JonnyJD_
        hm, not sure if I remember it existing or not finishing with a proposal.. but I remember it..
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      • reosarevok_
        There was a wiki page somewhere
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      • JonnyJD_
        My guess would be it existed pre-NGS
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      • reosarevok_
        So it was probably proposed
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      • reosarevok_
        But I don't think it ever existed
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      • reosarevok_
        nikki would know though :p
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      • JonnyJD_
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      • reosarevok_
        No, no
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      • reosarevok_
        I meant a wiki page for such a rel
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      • nikki
        it was proposed but never passed
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      • reosarevok_
        Good, neither of us was going crazy then :)
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      • larsduesing
        "Series are also a candidate for the entity to implement first in the currently unofficial new MusicBrainz server plan."
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      • larsduesing
        Ok, somebody does something about that...
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      • JonnyJD_
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      • reosarevok_
        larsduesing: yeah, we were planning to add them last May - now we'd like to add them next May :p
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      • reosarevok_
        Hopefully this time it'll work out :)
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      • reosarevok_
        JonnyJD_: heh, that's a confusing redirect. I'll remove it ( http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Part_of_Seri… will still work, for people who want to check it)
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      • Freso
        larsduesing: Obviously, you're welcome to take a shot at coding/implementing it yourself. That should increase the chances of something happening drastically.
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      • reosarevok_
        heh
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      • JonnyJD_
        that redirect is used int the above mentioned series wiki page
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      • reosarevok_
        Meh :p
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      • reosarevok_
        I'll fix that then
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      • JonnyJD_
        thx, I'll be off soon. Shouldn't start new stuff now
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      • JonnyJD_
        well "off"... afk (I should go off more often)
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      • larsduesing
        Freso, reosarevok_: If I could be of any help tell me..
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      • larsduesing
        Freso: But implementing something which is in discussion is a little bit foolish :)
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      • Freso
        larsduesing: It'll be in discussion until long after it's been implemented.
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      • larsduesing
        right again...
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      • Freso
        We're still discussing Areas (added in May) and Places (added in October).
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      • Freso
        Not to mentioned Recordings and about everything else...
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      • reosarevok_
        hahaha
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      • larsduesing
        I should have a look at the database...
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      • Freso considers brining the "part of series" relationship back to -style
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: In the context of making a Series entity or some such, would it rather more benefit from some series entries already linked together or more detract to have relationship to deprecate and ultimately remove?
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      • reosarevok doesn't really know
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      • reosarevok
        If they were easy to just import, probably benefit? But dunno if enough for it to be worth it to make the user effort
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      • reosarevok shrugs
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      • nikki
        if we were going to do it now, I'd be more in favour of having series as types of works (which has the advantage of having url relationships available)
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      • nikki
        (and also the advantage of not needing to add all the parts of the series to link them all to the same thing)
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      • reosarevok
        No ordering, but yeah
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      • reosarevok
        Of course, it helps that works are the more "thing"-like entities we have
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      • Freso
        I think pre-Series-as-entity, ordering is less important than just getting the series entries grouped together.
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      • nikki
        we could just order them by release date by default when migrating, I bet that would give pretty reasonable results
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      • nikki
        or try to parse titles :P
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      • Freso
        Heh.
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      • reosarevok
        It would
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      • reosarevok
        It's just it would also give some cases of wrong ordering, so it'd be moving from not-there to wrong
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      • reosarevok shrugs
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      • nikki
        eh, we're gonna get wrong stuff anyway, since apparently we're not going to implement unordered stuff until we've done ordered stuff
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      • Freso
        So a Release Group <-> Work relationship "is part of the series" or something?
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      • reosarevok
        Not so easy :p
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      • reosarevok
        Sometimes we share RGs for stuff in different series
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      • reosarevok
        Or only a reissue is part of the series
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      • nikki
        yeah, I have several release series :/
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