Picard-geeks, if I wanted to tag tracks based on their relationships, could I do that with tagger script stuff?
2013-12-01 33556, 2013
reosarevok
(some guy is complaining about us not having performers on artist for classical)
2013-12-01 33519, 2013
Mineo
reosarevok: as a german my answer is "jein", a mixture of "ja" and "nein" - you *can* use tags like %performer:violin% (or any other instrument) in the file naming script, but you have to know the instrument or whatever beforehand
2013-12-01 33549, 2013
nikki
hehehe
2013-12-01 33505, 2013
nikki
german is so much more fun for answering questions
2013-12-01 33537, 2013
reosarevok
God, that's horrible
2013-12-01 33551, 2013
reosarevok
There's no way to select all performer tags? :/
2013-12-01 33555, 2013
Mineo
(in theory, one could write a plugin to merge all performer:whatever tags into one multi-valued %allperformers% tag though)
2013-12-01 33522, 2013
reosarevok
I guess the guy is right then in that there's no good way to tag classical with Picard, meh :(
2013-12-01 33534, 2013
reosarevok
I was hoping to prove him wrong!
2013-12-01 33535, 2013
nikki still thinks our classical style is pointlessly as difficult as possible for everyone
2013-12-01 33557, 2013
reosarevok
Heh
2013-12-01 33534, 2013
reosarevok
Yeah, having composers *and* performers on tracks would probably make more sense
2013-12-01 33535, 2013
reosarevok
But well
2013-12-01 33549, 2013
reosarevok
(composers still make no sense on recordings though)
2013-12-01 33517, 2013
reosarevok
Of course the ideal thing would be not to have any arbitrary artists and just use relationships for all, but
2013-12-01 33522, 2013
reosarevok shrugs
2013-12-01 33540, 2013
Freso
reosarevok: So... what other tagger does he know of that does this well and easily since he's complaining that Picard can't?
2013-12-01 33552, 2013
reosarevok
None, that's what he's complaining about :p
2013-12-01 33505, 2013
reosarevok
(that not even Picard can do it well, so the only choice is doing it by hand)
2013-12-01 33516, 2013
Freso
Wait, is he complaining that there's no tagger in general or that Picard can't specifically?
2013-12-01 33537, 2013
reosarevok
Well, he was complaining not even MB does it well enough
2013-12-01 33556, 2013
Freso
Because the first is definitely a valid issue, but the 2nd is moot if there are no other taggers that can do it, IMHO.
2013-12-01 33557, 2013
reosarevok
So, both?
2013-12-01 33529, 2013
reosarevok
It was basically "meh, all taggers suck for classical, even Picard which is good for the rest"
2013-12-01 33536, 2013
reosarevok
Which seemingly is true :(
2013-12-01 33501, 2013
reosarevok
And I mean, that no other taggers can do it shouldn't be a reason we can't do better, we're supposed to be better than them anyway ;)
2013-12-01 33557, 2013
snartal
Is there something missing from the AR extra tags picard gives you?
2013-12-01 33519, 2013
reosarevok
Yes, any player that can use them :p
2013-12-01 33558, 2013
snartal
Isn't that a player issue, and not a picard issue?
2013-12-01 33539, 2013
Freso
snartal: You didn't say the missing thing had to be a Picard issue.
2013-12-01 33500, 2013
reosarevok
Technically yes, it's a player issue
2013-12-01 33526, 2013
reosarevok
In practice, us having no clear way of letting users put the performers somewhere their player can see is kinda both :/
2013-12-01 33529, 2013
nikki
the point of tagging your files is to add information to the files that you can use :P
2013-12-01 33507, 2013
nikki
we could start stripping all tags except for mbids and claiming it's a player issue if they can't fetch the data from mb, but that wouldn't go down well
Mineo goes back to figuring out why his super meat boy achievements are not getting unlocked :/
2013-12-01 33531, 2013
snartal
So, with that info, does Picard go back to being the most super awesomeus tagger in the universe?
2013-12-01 33504, 2013
reosarevok
Well it still was, other taggers aren't better :p
2013-12-01 33524, 2013
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2013-12-01 33506, 2013
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2013-12-01 33514, 2013
larsduesing
Hi all...
2013-12-01 33507, 2013
larsduesing
Short question: is there any way to tell the database that a release is part of a series (like "Now! Thats what I call music" in US/UK or "Bravo Hits" in Germany)?
larsduesing: Obviously, you're welcome to take a shot at coding/implementing it yourself. That should increase the chances of something happening drastically.
2013-12-01 33515, 2013
reosarevok_
heh
2013-12-01 33526, 2013
JonnyJD_
that redirect is used int the above mentioned series wiki page
2013-12-01 33546, 2013
reosarevok_
Meh :p
2013-12-01 33548, 2013
reosarevok_
I'll fix that then
2013-12-01 33514, 2013
JonnyJD_
thx, I'll be off soon. Shouldn't start new stuff now
2013-12-01 33531, 2013
JonnyJD_
well "off"... afk (I should go off more often)
2013-12-01 33508, 2013
larsduesing
Freso, reosarevok_: If I could be of any help tell me..
2013-12-01 33521, 2013
larsduesing
Freso: But implementing something which is in discussion is a little bit foolish :)
2013-12-01 33505, 2013
Freso
larsduesing: It'll be in discussion until long after it's been implemented.
2013-12-01 33514, 2013
larsduesing
right again...
2013-12-01 33520, 2013
Freso
We're still discussing Areas (added in May) and Places (added in October).
2013-12-01 33529, 2013
Freso
Not to mentioned Recordings and about everything else...
2013-12-01 33532, 2013
reosarevok_
hahaha
2013-12-01 33542, 2013
larsduesing
I should have a look at the database...
2013-12-01 33500, 2013
Freso considers brining the "part of series" relationship back to -style
2013-12-01 33543, 2013
Freso
reosarevok: In the context of making a Series entity or some such, would it rather more benefit from some series entries already linked together or more detract to have relationship to deprecate and ultimately remove?
2013-12-01 33557, 2013
reosarevok doesn't really know
2013-12-01 33523, 2013
reosarevok
If they were easy to just import, probably benefit? But dunno if enough for it to be worth it to make the user effort
2013-12-01 33526, 2013
reosarevok shrugs
2013-12-01 33506, 2013
nikki
if we were going to do it now, I'd be more in favour of having series as types of works (which has the advantage of having url relationships available)
2013-12-01 33532, 2013
nikki
(and also the advantage of not needing to add all the parts of the series to link them all to the same thing)
2013-12-01 33537, 2013
reosarevok
No ordering, but yeah
2013-12-01 33550, 2013
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2013-12-01 33507, 2013
reosarevok
Of course, it helps that works are the more "thing"-like entities we have
2013-12-01 33520, 2013
Freso
I think pre-Series-as-entity, ordering is less important than just getting the series entries grouped together.
2013-12-01 33539, 2013
nikki
we could just order them by release date by default when migrating, I bet that would give pretty reasonable results
2013-12-01 33550, 2013
nikki
or try to parse titles :P
2013-12-01 33555, 2013
Freso
Heh.
2013-12-01 33529, 2013
reosarevok
It would
2013-12-01 33550, 2013
reosarevok
It's just it would also give some cases of wrong ordering, so it'd be moving from not-there to wrong
2013-12-01 33554, 2013
reosarevok shrugs
2013-12-01 33519, 2013
nikki
eh, we're gonna get wrong stuff anyway, since apparently we're not going to implement unordered stuff until we've done ordered stuff
2013-12-01 33536, 2013
Freso
So a Release Group <-> Work relationship "is part of the series" or something?
2013-12-01 33542, 2013
reosarevok
Not so easy :p
2013-12-01 33552, 2013
reosarevok
Sometimes we share RGs for stuff in different series
