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      • johtso
        Hmm, should I class MCing as spoken vocals?

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      • reosarevok_
        As in rapping?

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      • johtso
        right, I'm sure some would say it's not the same as rapping, but that kind of thing

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      • johtso
        http://youtu.be/IKp1jVvi6Yo?t=1m10s

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      • Freso
        I would probably do "other vocals" with "MCing" in the text field.

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      • johtso
        that sounds like a better idea

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      • reosarevok_
        Oh, ok, garage

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      • reosarevok_
        Anyway, I'd just use vocals, but other might work too?

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      • Freso
        It's annoying that you can't use non-specified vocals with the free-text field. :(

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      • johtso
        non-specified?

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      • Freso
        Yeah.

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      • Freso
        Just vocals.

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      • Freso
        Without specifying a type.

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      • Freso
        (E.g., "other vocals", "background vocals", "soprano", "bass", whatever the current types are.)

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      • johtso
        oh right, yeah

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      • Freso
        *Ie.,

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      • Freso
        I guess both ie. and e.g. works there.

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      • johtso
        I'm never quite sure when artist relationships should be on individual recordings..

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      • Freso
        Yeah.

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      • johtso
        the credits are for the whole release

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      • Freso
        Well, if you know it to apply to a single recording, apply it there - if not, apply it to the release.

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      • johtso
        but I know that they apply to specific tracks

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      • johtso
        and clearly the vocals credit doesn't apply to the instrumental mix

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      • johtso
        so put it on the relevant recordings?

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      • Freso
        Yeah.

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      • Freso
        https://musicbrainz.org/release/0a42c8fd-b2fd-495…

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      • Freso
        I know Rovics played and sung on all tracks, but the creditation is vague for the two other instrumentalists.

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      • Freso
        So I've put Rovics on all recordings and the other two guys on the release.

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      • reosarevok_
        Oh, didn't realise you couldn't do that

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      • reosarevok_
        (put credits on the standard vocals)

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      • reosarevok_
        That's annoying

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      • Freso
        That's what I said. :)

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      • Freso
        Well, I said that "it's annoying", but, y'know.

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      • johtso
        should a remix be related to the original work?

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      • johtso
        or should only the original mix be related to the work, and then other versions related to the original mix?

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      • reosarevok_
        Things like rap remixes with extra people in should have a new work (you can relate the two works with "later version" or whatever)

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      • johtso
        and if not, would it make sense to add the addition of an instrumental version relationship?

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      • reosarevok_
        Well, you can use "instrumental" on the recording-work rel

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      • [1]Rovastar
        hi folks can someone vote of these. http://musicbrainz.org/artist/a9241dc0-d910-4cde-… I want to split the artist group up and neeed to remove these relationships first

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      • johtso
        reosarevok_: just spotted the instrumental flag on the work relationship, sweet

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      • darthanubis
        does headphones no longer work with musicbrainz for artist info fetching?

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      • darthanubis
        HTTP Error 502: Bad Gateway)

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      • reosarevok_
        We have no idea, we don't run headphones

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      • reosarevok_
        Ask the developer, I guess :)

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      • darthanubis
        "we"?

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      • reosarevok_
        MusicBrainz

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      • reosarevok_
        AFAIK the dev isn't around here, anyway, have seen him once months ago to ask some specific question but nothing more :)

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      • darthanubis
        is there some reason MB collectively does not use headphones?

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      • reosarevok_
        Er, we are a music database, not a music hoarder collective? :)

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      • darthanubis
        thats not what I asked

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      • reosarevok_
        I'm not sure what you asked then

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      • darthanubis
        I asked if anyone not you obviously had any experience with the question I asked. You said no one uses headphones here...Seems an odd declarative.

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      • reosarevok_
        Oh. No, I say we don't run headphones, so even if someone else is experiencing the same as you, all they could tell you is "yes, it 502s for me too"

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      • darthanubis
        thats all I'd need to know

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      • darthanubis
        which is why I asked

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      • Lotheric never used headphones

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      • reosarevok_
        Well, then maybe someone else around runs it :) You seemed to be asking MB whether headphones didn't work with MB anymore :)

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      • reosarevok_
        (and since we got a few cases of people complaining because of us "breaking" their HS stuff, when it was more we were forced to throttle it so that the rest of the world could use MB, I might be a bit too twitchy about it :) )

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      • reosarevok_
        I mean, a 502 mostly suggests the server you're calling is down, if it was our throttling it would be (IIRC) a 503

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      • darthanubis
        thx

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      • reosarevok_
        So if it's a mirror, you could contact whoever it's running your specific mirror and check

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      • reosarevok_
        If you're calling us directly, that's weird since our servers feel fine from the site at least

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      • darthanubis
        I need to setup my own mirror :(

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      • reosarevok_
        That seems to be the experience of most people, eventually, yeah. I guess you can drop by #musicbrainz-devel if you find issues doing that

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      • reosarevok_
        Someone might be able to help :)

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      • reosarevok_
        tbh I'm somewhat surprised that people are willing to do all the effort for HS, but I guess I'm just not in the target group, heh

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        I am reading the docs on how to enter the data for some dozens of my original songs of the past few decades into musicbrainz online

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        so far, got the artist entered and some links... dunno about releases, release groups etc. yet for sure is tricky because never actually been professionally recorded

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        some of my songs only recording is as part of a youtube video, so how would I indicate that?

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        others only as mp3 on my website, so that is standalone?

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        website been online 17 years, since 2001 at current url

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        most of the songs have "official" pages on my web site, some up since the 1990s

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        bye for now. hope I wasn't being rude. probably come back

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        TheBikeGuitarist: You're not being rude. If you ever read this, you should add any lone mp3s as standalone recordings.

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      • Zastai
        I'm entering a compilation release that has 5 albums spread across 3 discs. Do I:

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      • Zastai
        a) put each album name in front of every track

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      • Zastai
        b) use the disc title to mention which albums it has (but some are split across discs so would appear more than once)

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      • Zastai
        c) just leave the info off

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      • Zastai
        the release is http://mainlynorfolk.info/steeleye.span/records/a…

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      • Freso
        I would go for d).

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      • Freso
        (Put the info in the annotation.)

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      • Freso
        Either that or b), using SFT on both 1 and 2 and SoS on both 2 and 3.

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      • Zastai
        Currently have b) in the release editor (specifying the tracks each title applies to in brackets)

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      • Freso
        I wouldn't add the releases titles to the tracks at all.

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      • Freso
        Unless they actually appear *in* the track listing.

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      • Zastai
        so for disc 2: Storm Force Ten (1-2) / Live at Last! (4-10) / Sails of Silver (12-13) -- gaps because it includes 2 non-album singles

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      • Freso
        (In the same vein that we don't do "Bonus: …" or "… (bonus)".)

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      • Freso
        Ah.

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      • Freso
        I would not include that there, but use the annotation instead.

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      • Zastai
        Fair enough

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      • Freso
        Also, assuming the recordings are actually the same, be sure to share them with the relevant releases.

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      • Freso
        That way a machine can also tell which recordings are from which releases.

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      • Zastai
        Crap. Reached the end of the recording assignments (using the original albums) I see that the last page of the booklet says they're all 2010 remasters

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      • Zastai
        Which means they should get new recordings, shouldn't it

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      • Freso
        Remasters are the same recordings.

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      • Zastai
        oh good

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      • Zastai
        :-)

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      • Freso
        (I don't necessarily agree with that, but that's what was decided... last year? The year before?)

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      • Zastai
        Yeah, thought I'd seen many (nnnn remaster) annotations on recordings in the past

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      • Freso
        https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Recording#Reco…

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      • Freso
        Well, it is a guideline.

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      • Freso
        If there are big, audible differences between an "original" and a remaster, a remaster should likely still be made.

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      • Freso
        E.g., a stereo remaster of a mono recording should be a new recording.

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      • Zastai
        I can't compare, so couldn't make that choice

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      • Freso
        (I know there are a lot of these for the Beatles.)