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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        I am reading the docs on how to enter the data for some dozens of my original songs of the past few decades into musicbrainz online

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        so far, got the artist entered and some links... dunno about releases, release groups etc. yet for sure is tricky because never actually been professionally recorded

        • 2015-02-01 03207, 2015

      • TheBikeGuitarist
        some of my songs only recording is as part of a youtube video, so how would I indicate that?

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        others only as mp3 on my website, so that is standalone?

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        website been online 17 years, since 2001 at current url

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        most of the songs have "official" pages on my web site, some up since the 1990s

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      • TheBikeGuitarist
        bye for now. hope I wasn't being rude. probably come back

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        TheBikeGuitarist: You're not being rude. If you ever read this, you should add any lone mp3s as standalone recordings.

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      • Zastai
        I'm entering a compilation release that has 5 albums spread across 3 discs. Do I:

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      • Zastai
        a) put each album name in front of every track

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      • Zastai
        b) use the disc title to mention which albums it has (but some are split across discs so would appear more than once)

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      • Zastai
        c) just leave the info off

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      • Zastai
        the release is http://mainlynorfolk.info/steeleye.span/records/a…

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      • Freso
        I would go for d).

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      • Freso
        (Put the info in the annotation.)

        • 2015-02-01 03227, 2015

      • Freso
        Either that or b), using SFT on both 1 and 2 and SoS on both 2 and 3.

        • 2015-02-01 03245, 2015

      • Zastai
        Currently have b) in the release editor (specifying the tracks each title applies to in brackets)

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      • Freso
        I wouldn't add the releases titles to the tracks at all.

        • 2015-02-01 03219, 2015

      • Freso
        Unless they actually appear *in* the track listing.

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      • Zastai
        so for disc 2: Storm Force Ten (1-2) / Live at Last! (4-10) / Sails of Silver (12-13) -- gaps because it includes 2 non-album singles

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      • Freso
        (In the same vein that we don't do "Bonus: …" or "… (bonus)".)

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      • Freso
        Ah.

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      • Freso
        I would not include that there, but use the annotation instead.

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      • Zastai
        Fair enough

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      • Freso
        Also, assuming the recordings are actually the same, be sure to share them with the relevant releases.

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      • Freso
        That way a machine can also tell which recordings are from which releases.

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      • Zastai
        Crap. Reached the end of the recording assignments (using the original albums) I see that the last page of the booklet says they're all 2010 remasters

        • 2015-02-01 03226, 2015

      • Zastai
        Which means they should get new recordings, shouldn't it

        • 2015-02-01 03231, 2015

      • Freso
        Remasters are the same recordings.

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      • Zastai
        oh good

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      • Zastai
        :-)

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      • Freso
        (I don't necessarily agree with that, but that's what was decided... last year? The year before?)

        • 2015-02-01 03219, 2015

      • Zastai
        Yeah, thought I'd seen many (nnnn remaster) annotations on recordings in the past

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      • Freso
        https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Recording#Reco…

        • 2015-02-01 03241, 2015

      • Freso
        Well, it is a guideline.

        • 2015-02-01 03212, 2015

      • Freso
        If there are big, audible differences between an "original" and a remaster, a remaster should likely still be made.

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      • Freso
        E.g., a stereo remaster of a mono recording should be a new recording.

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      • Zastai
        I can't compare, so couldn't make that choice

        • 2015-02-01 03245, 2015

      • Freso
        (I know there are a lot of these for the Beatles.)

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      • Zastai
        main issue with this is that it only works because the recording-artist "mastered by" AR was deprecated; and I've been in many situations where different media (and sometimes different tracks) of one release have different mastering credits

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      • Freso
        That's why I usually default to creating new recordings and then merge later when/if I can verify that they're the same. :)

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      • Freso
        Yep. So have I.

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      • Zastai
        most commonly main vs bonus disc, but not only that

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      • Freso
        Digital-only releases can easily have separate mastering engineers for each track.

        • 2015-02-01 03227, 2015

      • Freso
        (Not that I've seen that happen… yet.)

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      • Zastai
        I've had a non-digital release with 5 mastering engineers (a collaboration type thing, where different producers recorded their tracks in different studios and mastered them there, so apparently no album-level mastering)

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      • Mineo
        I wonder if it's a good or a bad thing that the release editors autocorrection of external links prevents a url from being used as an "other databases" and "download for free" one at the same time :/

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      • gioele
        hi, I just entered this release: musicbrainz.org/release/0e2df8fe-5135-4a39-ae01-e… (cover here: <http://ia902709.us.archive.org/22/items/mbid-0e2df8fe-5135-4a39-ae01-edb71b8680b7/mbid-0e2df8fe-5135-4a39-ae01-edb71b8680b7-9526124678_thumb500.jpg>). It is a classical release and I am not familiar with those guidelines.

        • 2015-02-01 03243, 2015

      • gioele
        First question: is it correct to use "Compose, Librettist 1, Librettist 2" as the release artist?

        • 2015-02-01 03253, 2015

      • gioele
        s/Compose/Composer/

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I'd think so

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      • Mineo
        you should separate composers from performers with a semicolon (https://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Classical/…)

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      • Mineo
        (not sure who's who on that release)

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Those aren't performers

        • 2015-02-01 03231, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        (I think)

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Would this qualify as an "official homepage" for a tour? It seems more like a schedule to me http://www.alfee.com/information/live2012s.html

        • 2015-02-01 03236, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        reosarevok: When you get around to it… http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-433

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      • johtso
        Shouldn't the mashup relationship allow the same details as the sampled relationship?

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      • johtso
        it's also a bit annoying that you can't say that a recording generically samples vocals.. you have to specify a type of vocals

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      • nikki
        hibiscuskazeneko: which entity type is style-433 intended for? if you mean artists, then it's a duplicate of http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-329

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      • peaveyman
        Would it be possible to get this edit applied? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/31373438

        • 2015-02-01 03236, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        nikki: I put in the title "Series"

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      • nikki
        peaveyman: done

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      • peaveyman
        nikki: thanks

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      • nikki
        oh

        • 2015-02-01 03211, 2015

      • nikki
        so you did

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        It's meant for event series such as tours

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      • drsaunde
        hey nikki

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      • nikki
        hi drsaunde

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      • drsaunde
        sorry but i left you a few more turds in the area sandbox

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        ewwwww

        • 2015-02-01 03227, 2015

      • drsaunde
        yeah i guess i could have phrased that better

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      • drsaunde
        my mind is not yet awake

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      • hibiscuskazeneko has been up since 6 PM

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        and I'm trying to play Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego? but can't figure the damn game out

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      • reosarevok
        Heh

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      • reosarevok
        I used to watch some TV program from that when I was a kid

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Me too

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      • reosarevok
        Oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_in_the_World_I… I guess

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      • hibiscuskazeneko watched it on PBS

        • 2015-02-01 03245, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I still have the soundtrack cassette

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      • reosarevok doesn't know if it was a Spanish version or the original, dubbed

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      • reosarevok
        But it was cool

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I heard there was an unfair win or cheater once

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      • KRS-Cuan
        I only know an animated series.

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      • hibiscuskazeneko watched that too

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      • johtso
        Does this suggestion make sense? http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-8184

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      • reosarevok
        Not under MBS :) Moved to Style

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      • reosarevok
        I know nothing about mashups, but I'll take a look eventually :)

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      • johtso
        reosarevok: ah, it belongs in style, noted. Thought that style would for guidelines rather than schema changes :)

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      • reosarevok
        It's not a schema change - we can add attributes from the site :)

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      • johtso
        aha

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      • reosarevok
        (or well, it's not a DB-schema-change, I guess it technically changes the "schema" but not the one that matters there :) )

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      • nikki
        it's just more rows in the db, that's like saying adding an artist changes the schema :P

        • 2015-02-01 03251, 2015

      • reosarevok
        Well, it changes the way we categorise info (so a schema) just not the db schema :)

        • 2015-02-01 03256, 2015

      • reosarevok
        But yeah, anyway, style :)

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      • shmias
        hi

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      • shmias
        what if a recording uses samples from films?

        • 2015-02-01 03202, 2015

      • shmias
        can I make a relationship somehow?

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      • nikki
        there's a url relationship for imdb

        • 2015-02-01 03229, 2015

      • nikki
        (saying it sampled whatever film/show the imdb entry is about)

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      • shmias
        there isn't a film entity

        • 2015-02-01 03235, 2015

      • shmias
        but i could create the film as recording with video^^

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      • reosarevok
        Please don't. Just use the IMDb rel as nikki said :)

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      • shmias
        or i should just use the annotation field