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kepstin: It definitely seems distinct from stadium/arena.

kepstin: at least if we're talking about a motor racing track

hmm. I suppose it depends. A NASCAR track is pretty much just a big stadium :)

+1 CallerNo6

hmm. good question.

we shouldn't be restricted from adding my buddies playing at a bar down the street just because the bar's not in wikipedia :)

hawke1, kepstin: I meant that Place type for both car racing tracks and hippodromes

kepstin: yeah but the concept of "bar" is going to be in wikidata.

kepstin: also, to my knowledge wikidata is much better with regard to notability.

(Their biggest problem IMO is semantics and especially international equivalance of various things.

Hmm. You're talking about linking place types to concepts in wiki data rather than pulling place types by seeing what the linked wiki data entry for the place says?

kepstin: I think that's the idea, yeah.

I was talking about both, but the former would be good start.

kepstin: >>"how has wikidata been so far at keeping stuff that wikipedia decides isn't "notable"?" The same way as wikibooks and wikiquote keep the stuff, which isn't related to articles

[mostly, wikibooks: on wikibooks you may publish your own original content and theoretically, give a link to it from wikipedia]

[I haven't seen it in real life, though]

here's "venue" and its subclasses: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.ht...

and "performing arts venue": https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.ht...

One problem is that I'm not sure if there's an appropriate relationship for things that *might* be.

e.g. some but not all places of worship are also music venues.

This looks complicated >_<

Cleaned up https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.ht... a little bit now

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P366 also looks like it might have some use

huh. now here's something that I didn't expect to be a mere stub. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_work

this otoh is exactly as awesome as I could have hoped for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Works_ab...

flowers for algernon on there?

( "The story is told through a series of journal entries written by the story's protagonist, Charlie Gordon, a man with a low IQ of 68 who works a menial job as a janitor in a Plastic Box Factory. " )

sadly, Lawnmower Man doesn't qualify

https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/beef1141-3... I like how it says "Part 1" Hm...

https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release-group/3ded... (plus ~450 more tracks in "part 2")

need a push here https://musicbrainz.org/edit/37484910

Doood

Lawnmower Man is inside your head now

CallerNo6: What a reference

dr_saunde, "works about gardeners and landscapers" should totally be a wikipedia category!

Lawnmower Man is one of the top 3 movies to watch on acid

dr_saunde: Do you mean that old screensaver?

no i mean the classic 80s Pierce Brosnan movie with lots of trippy visuals

drsaunde did you know the prodigy sample "I'm taking my work back underground..." is from that movie?

of course

you are talking one of my faves here that nobody else really likes...was surprised caller6 mentioned it

CallerNo6: Do you also by chance like Get a Life?

Studio vs Venue is easy to make icons for IMO (mixing board vs stage) but not sure whether it's needed

It might be

Wikidata notability is still a bit too restrictive IIRC but a bit better than enwiki's

(We've had issues with it in the past though)

Notability? What's this about notability?

They were talking about it a while ago and I'm catching up with logs :)

I remember that; the conversation happened around the same time I brought up these tickets to add more Place types

I wasn't sure if they were connected

Is there a good place to dump extra info like liner notes that dont belong in the file tags necessarily, but would be nice to reference from the musicbrains site

Define liner notes

If you mean data like "x played the guitar here" those are relationships and we do definitely want them

If you mean the liner text itself, not really (but scans can go in the cover art archive)

under Excerpts from sleeve notes

That big wall of text? I wouldn't post it in its entirety; it's likely copyrighted

I'd extract any useful tidbits from it and convert them to ARs if possible

You can add the liner notes' author as an AR too

link for me to read up on ARs?

brb

https://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Add_Relation... is a good place to start

https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Relationships and https://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Relation... too

what's the status on Discourse, btw?

Freso said during the meeting he's finally on it this week

So hopefully this week at some point but we'll see!

cool! Looking forward to the unblocking of STYLE once it happens. :-P

Unblocking?

back

if you can't see what we posted, check chatlogs.metabrainz.org/brainzbot/musicbrainz/

hibiscuskazeneko: well, not much has happened in style land for quite a while because of how hard it has been to get any decent discussion going :)

I'm hoping to change that with discourse

It'll also probably have, say, a classical music subforum, so it should be possible to have discussion on those style issues that are very specific on its own place where more people related to that specific field will see them

But we'll see about that bit :)

Important thing is though that every MB user will automatically have an account there (because it's their MB account) and that makes it much more accessible that the style list

do I add the instrument played relationship to the release, or the individual recording?

and should the recording relationship be auto populated by the fact the artist is listed as the artist on the release/track?

rszasz: if the liner notes or other information specify instruments played on specific tracks, add them to the recording. Otherwise, add them to the release.

(I'd say they should be added to the Release Group... but I don't think that's the prevailing style (or well supported by the code))

and that means I just did it wrong... :(

going back and adding to tracks (though this is a bit painfull for just a few tracks and if they switched instruments?)

rszasz: https://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Use_the... probably relevant if you haven't seen that one yet

eh, it's not *wrong* to add it to the release even if you have more specific info

it's more of a problem (and not that much of one even then) if you guess that instruments just listed as being played on the release were played on every track

I miss the bold colors of the previous style...

maybe they'll come back

I wish there were a way to mine the Emanem discography pages, so much great jazz info

rszasz: it could probably be scraped, if someone wanted to take the time to do so