What's the right way to handle hymns in Musicbrainz?
2019-12-15 34910, 2019
toddobryan
The problem is that there are potentially three things going on in a hymn. There's a hymn tune, which usually has a name and a composer. And there's a text, for which an author is often credited.
2019-12-15 34922, 2019
toddobryan
The thing is, the text and the tune may not have been written with each other in mind at all. So while a combination of tune and text creates a hymn (and a work), the same tune and text may be combined with other texts or tunes to make other hymns.
2019-12-15 34934, 2019
toddobryan
And getting all that information in an easy-to-use way is just kind of messy.
2019-12-15 34921, 2019
elomatreb[m]
A preliminary check indicates that you can use "is based on" relationships to indicate this (e.g. the German national hymn, which has different authors for the music and text: https://musicbrainz.org/work/9f5f27a9-b337-3fa6-8…)
2019-12-15 34916, 2019
toddobryan
Yeah. I wish there were a better relation. "is based on" sort of implies there were changes. But the tune *is* the tune. Something like "uses tune" <tune work> and "is setting of" <text work> would be great, but is probably too specific to be generally useful.
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elomatreb[m]
The tune is the same in that example, so it uses the "later version of" for that, fwiw
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elomatreb[m]
*"version of" I meant of course
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toddobryan
Again, "later version of" implies something is different.
2019-12-15 34932, 2019
toddobryan
Well, and I'm forgetting that the melody could be the same and someone else could provide a different harmonization.
2019-12-15 34943, 2019
toddobryan
Maybe I need to start a Hymnbrainz.
2019-12-15 34951, 2019
elomatreb[m]
You're actually correct now that I think about it, but "version of" is still correct because it's a shortened version. Not as a good an example as I thought, sorry (I also linked the wrong one, lol)
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toddobryan
Why can't data in the real world be nice and neat?! :-)
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TheBanish3r
Hi
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c1e0
TheBanish3r: Hi. It's cool seeing you here :D
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TheBanish3r
Hey I know you
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TheBanish3r
You're a mentor
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TheBanish3r
So it's been 3 or 4 days since I asked a question about my task
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TheBanish3r
But I didn't receive any response
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CatQuest
hey is it possible to create a script that automatically collapses ISRC and similar edits? eg https://beta.musicbrainz.org/artist/f1548c5b-329e… for "add isrc" and "add puids (an older edit type but still) and such where it could be collapsed and reduced to a small line and then expandable?
oh antara, if such is the case thne the pūtātara should have an alias (both the regualr and misspeleld variants)
2019-12-15 34928, 2019
CatQuest
if you have time, can you make a ticket to add both to the pūtātara and if you have it, the sources for that information (i deifnitly want to read those!)
