I am, in fact, vomitously sick of having to enter those edits. But, I'm in an untenable position; I can't admit this for fear of them weaponizing the CoC against me somehow.
2021-02-01 03203, 2021
evelyn
I mean, you could have just not written 'shameful'
2021-02-01 03222, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
See above. I've had worse slung at me.
2021-02-01 03230, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
One editor even threatened my life.
2021-02-01 03224, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
(and in that case, I didn't even come close to something like this)
2021-02-01 03211, 2021
aereaux
I don't see how that makes it any better
2021-02-01 03216, 2021
levine
I am enormously confused. Why does the edit "need help replying" for starters? It's a 3 months old typography change?
2021-02-01 03231, 2021
cheezmo2
Yeah, the shameful is probably uncalled for unless in response to a specific edit. I would have just used the comment "style guidelines"
2021-02-01 03238, 2021
cheezmo2
A 3 month old change but the comment they are asking for help on was made today.
2021-02-01 03212, 2021
cheezmo2
I meant "in response to a specific comment".
2021-02-01 03247, 2021
levine
OK so the reply was recent, I see. But I still don't get why it needs help replying from someone else?
2021-02-01 03222, 2021
levine
From what I can see you hibiscus wrote a rather unnecessary loaded word which can easily be interpreted as being passive aggressive. Not much more to it than that from what I'm seeing right now.
2021-02-01 03217, 2021
atj
hibiscuskazeneko: sorry, but with only this edit for context, the "shameful" comment seems completely uncalled for and unprofessional.
2021-02-01 03246, 2021
atj
I'd cut you some slack if English was a second language, but..?
2021-02-01 03227, 2021
atj
I mean, it's not even a strict style guidelines - "Use of basic ASCII punctuation characters such as ' and " is allowed, but typographically-correct punctuation (such as ’ for the English apostrophe) is preferred."
2021-02-01 03255, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
I've taken issue in the past with that guideline not being strict. It encourages abuse.
2021-02-01 03224, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
One editor I know of in particular openly flouts it (going so far as to remove Unicode characters in favor of ASCII).
2021-02-01 03238, 2021
cheezmo2
I'm assuming a previous edit by GTF CHANGED it the wrong way. If it was initial entry, there is no foul actually.
2021-02-01 03216, 2021
atj
OK, well that's silly behaviour, I'd hesitate to call it "abuse" though. I would vote no on such an edit.
2021-02-01 03240, 2021
atj
Are you alleging abuse by the editor who left the comment?
2021-02-01 03242, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
atj: This is an alt of an editor who was banned for severe abuse, so there's nothing I can do about it.
2021-02-01 03200, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
This editor (GTF1982) is not the editor I'm talking about.
2021-02-01 03204, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
As GTF1982 pointed out in their note, my edit was entered as part of a 20+ edit sweep. They only replied to this one.
2021-02-01 03235, 2021
evelyn
I'm really confused, what exactly did this editor do wrong?
2021-02-01 03237, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
Full disclosure: I see a lot of these initial imports with holes in them on a daily basis.
2021-02-01 03257, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
Missing Unicode characters, incorrect artists, spelling mistakes, etc.
2021-02-01 03215, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
Too many people blindly copy releases over from Discogs with no post-editing.
2021-02-01 03232, 2021
atj
hibiscuskazeneko: we all do, it's always going to happen. I'm afraid people will not live up to your standards, that's life.
2021-02-01 03250, 2021
cheezmo2
I hate that, especially when they add "Reissue", etc. as disambiguation.
2021-02-01 03207, 2021
atj
Some of my first submissions on MB will have had mistakes. I think it's unreasonable to expect otherwise.
2021-02-01 03229, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
So did mine, but other people told me I did wrong and I changed my habits.
2021-02-01 03217, 2021
atj
OK, but did they use language like "shameful" to encourage you to learn and improve?
2021-02-01 03222, 2021
cheezmo2
So HK, just to go back to the origin of this, had they changed the ’ to a ' in a previous edit? Since the recording no longer exists I can't even look at the history.
2021-02-01 03248, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
I was talking about someone else. This particular editor didn't do that.
2021-02-01 03215, 2021
levine
Then maybe apologize to this particular editor if they did nothing wrong...
2021-02-01 03241, 2021
atj
Regardless of who it was aimed at you shouldn't use that sort of language. It does you no favours and antagonizes people.
2021-02-01 03244, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
If I do that, they'll use that as an excuse to continue making sloppy edits.
2021-02-01 03209, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
atj: Another prominent editor called me sloppy once. Again, this is someone well-known, so there's nothing that can be done.
2021-02-01 03234, 2021
levine
So berate people who make mistakes, that's how they learn. Gotcha.
2021-02-01 03252, 2021
cheezmo2
I'm going to have to agree that "shameful" is not a good edit note in this context then. I really respect you as a conscientious editor HK. I think you just need to not bother replying and let this go.
2021-02-01 03254, 2021
evelyn
I still don't understand why this particular edit was 'shameful', was the apostrophe changed to ASCII apostrophe or what?
2021-02-01 03258, 2021
hibiscuskazeneko
Isn't that what every parent and teacher does?
2021-02-01 03238, 2021
levine
This discussion is ridiculous. You are 100% in the wrong here, sorry.
2021-02-01 03242, 2021
cheezmo2
I think if your edit note was just "style guidelines" nothing would have happened.
2021-02-01 03212, 2021
atj
hibiscuskazeneko: you seem to feel that "sloppy" edits are a personal attack on you. I would suggest that this attitude is not helpful for you.
2021-02-01 03254, 2021
atj
Anyway, I'm going to bed, so I won't comment further.
2021-02-01 03203, 2021
levine
hibiscus. You're frustrated over "having to" fix a lot of mistakes. Being frustrated is OK, it's human. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, we all get frustrated and lash out sometimes. But being upset over mistaken details in an *enormous*, community driven database with millions of edits constantly... You gotta realize that
2021-02-01 03209, 2021
levine
's a no-winner
2021-02-01 03222, 2021
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2021-02-01 03225, 2021
levine
I'm going AFK also, wish everyone a good night/morning/appropriate time of day
atj: people who try to make money from youtube often are
2021-02-01 03253, 2021
reosarevok
(not all, of course, but there's a lot of this kind of stuff)
2021-02-01 03203, 2021
atj
Trying to think how to politely say that if he isn't an artist he shouldn't be adding himself to the database!
2021-02-01 03221, 2021
atj
Yeah, it feels like a bizarre form of SEO to me.
2021-02-01 03242, 2021
reosarevok
Well, if he makes music he technically belongs
2021-02-01 03247, 2021
reosarevok
Even if nobody listens to it
2021-02-01 03207, 2021
atj
If no works are assigned to the artist, it will be purged right?
2021-02-01 03240, 2021
cheezmo2
Mysterious Hip Hop has 105 views. It does appear he makes music.
2021-02-01 03223, 2021
reosarevok
atj: if there are relationships it doesn't get purged, no
2021-02-01 03235, 2021
reosarevok
If someone does not make music at all, then we just remove the rels and that's it
2021-02-01 03240, 2021
atj
So odd that he lists his parents names in his profile. I assume his wife isn't actually called "$ucess" right?
2021-02-01 03243, 2021
reosarevok
If they do, then we let them be :)
2021-02-01 03250, 2021
reosarevok
Maybe the wife performs under that name :D
2021-02-01 03258, 2021
reosarevok
Or maybe he's "married to success" :p
2021-02-01 03202, 2021
reosarevok shrugs
2021-02-01 03203, 2021
atj
Yeah that's what I was thinking
2021-02-01 03212, 2021
atj
kids these days! :)
2021-02-01 03224, 2021
reosarevok
17 seems young to marry, but then, what do I know how it works elsewhere :)
2021-02-01 03227, 2021
atj feels old
2021-02-01 03208, 2021
atj
I think I'll leave it alone, he's not doing any harm (so far).
2021-02-01 03213, 2021
Rotab
waifu: ✔✔✔✔💰💰💰
2021-02-01 03232, 2021
Rotab
he is removing all the links though..
2021-02-01 03255, 2021
atj
Yeah, so the artist will be deleted in the case. So the problem fixes itself.
2021-02-01 03218, 2021
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2021-02-01 03229, 2021
atj
Is there any stats available for edit/submission volume over time? Was wondering if there has been a marked increase during the pandemic due to people being bored and stuck at home.
