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      • hawke_1
        I don’t know of any tools that can pull it from a cuesheet though
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      • balrog
        are AR discids the same as MB discids?
      • 2013-05-24 14401, 2013

      • reosarevok
        cue + .wav can make a discID
      • 2013-05-24 14402, 2013

      • reosarevok
        IIRC
      • 2013-05-24 14406, 2013

      • balrog
        reosarevok: ok
      • 2013-05-24 14409, 2013

      • hawke_1
        you can also try ctdb, http://db.cuetools.net/
      • 2013-05-24 14416, 2013

      • hawke_1
        AR discIDs are different
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      • hawke_1
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      • hawke_1
        (click on the release name to expand the details)
      • 2013-05-24 14447, 2013

      • hawke_1
        you can see the ctdb discid, the mb discid, the freedb discid, the AR discid…
      • 2013-05-24 14401, 2013

      • Lotheric
        balrog: What is the release ? I can try to find an EAC log and add discid for you
      • 2013-05-24 14420, 2013

      • balrog
        I forget which one reosarevok was asking about
      • 2013-05-24 14443, 2013

      • balrog
        lemme look
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      • SultS_
        is it possible one of the composers for Duke Nukem 3D based one of the works on Blade Runner End Title? :)
      • 2013-05-24 14446, 2013

      • SultS_
        it’s just too similar, so I’m gonna assume yes :P
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      • drsaunde
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      • reosarevok
        first batch of them at least
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      • Jozo
        Ooh
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      • metabrainz_nikki
        technically 10 as a test run, waiting for replication now :P
      • 2013-05-24 14413, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Well, ok, the second batch will be the cool one :p
      • 2013-05-24 14411, 2013

      • Lotheric
        sweet
      • 2013-05-24 14424, 2013

      • Jozo
        SultS_: ... You seems have HIM lastes album... can you check http://musicbrainz.org/edit/22292507 (and see http://musicbrainz.org/edit/22189555)
      • 2013-05-24 14401, 2013

      • Lotheric
        woot! Boston is in
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      • SultS_
        Jozo: I do not, I did just some CD TOC related edits + some smaller corrections… no cover art to check, unfortunately
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      • SultS_
        if the cover art is correct though, I could easily get a larger one :P
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      • SultS_
        (and I think it is)
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      • Jozo
        SultS_: Oh. I hate when there is popular ablum that noone seems own. :/
      • 2013-05-24 14429, 2013

      • SultS_
        go buy it :)
      • 2013-05-24 14452, 2013

      • Jozo
        SultS_: I can wait until it's available on my local library (and its may be cutted down covers :/)
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      • SultS_
        not sure if we would even get the same version they sell in finland
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      • Jozo
        SultS_: Yeah. I just worried digipak and normal edition cover arts...
      • 2013-05-24 14404, 2013

      • Jozo
        SultS_: And It's ok me to add some cover art what feels correct... But now added cover art is so poor quality
      • 2013-05-24 14437, 2013

      • Jozo
        Mut maybe noone caras
      • 2013-05-24 14447, 2013

      • Jozo
        s/caras/cares/
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      • SultS_
        Jozo: well the cover art it’s probably *not* from the actual CD… more likely found from the internet and belongs to a downloadable release… CD version would probably not have equal dimensions
      • 2013-05-24 14413, 2013

      • Jozo
        When our cover art add edits 10% is wrong, 10% is maybe wrong, 20% is so bad quality
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      • SultS_
        I think it would be valid reason to vote no, if you think it’s for a downloadable release instead
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      • SultS_
        I don’t even like OK quality, when good quality is so easy to find
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      • SultS_
        it’s not like we have to worry about storage space
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      • hawke_1
        I am always torn when I have a digital download cover art file that exactly matches the CD…
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      • Jozo
        (I'm also uploaded many so bad quality images.... and some images what I'm not sure)
      • 2013-05-24 14411, 2013

      • hawke_1
        It seems silly to go through the lossy print/scan process rather than just uploading the original file
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      • Jozo
        I always upload itunes profided image to CD release when it matches to release... (And there is so much release where I do not do that)
      • 2013-05-24 14440, 2013

      • SultS_
        I think uploading downloadable release cover art is sometimes justifiable… as long as it matches the CD
      • 2013-05-24 14402, 2013

      • SultS_
        …and preferably no actual CD cover art to upload instead
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      • SultS_
        well, not preferably
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      • SultS_
        isn’t itunes cover art relatively low quality as well?
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      • Jozo
        SultS_: Pretty good quality... usually 1200x1200, somedays upscaled on earlier releases
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      • nikki
        I think it's acceptable if it matches, it's not like we can't delete it if we get something better
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      • nikki
        most of the stuff I see is 600x600 and the 1200x1200 ones are just upscaled
      • 2013-05-24 14414, 2013

      • SultS_
        ugh…
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      • Jozo
        I have one CD release what I have to use discogs images, cos itunes provided is so clear
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      • Jozo
        nikki: I do not usually compare 600 vs 1200. But 1200 is better most of digital releases releases in recent years
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      • SultS_
        I use a software to find me the best / most correct match :)
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      • Jozo
        SultS_: What software?
      • 2013-05-24 14455, 2013

      • SultS_
        Album Art Downloader (windows)
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      • nikki
        Jozo: I usually look for fuzzy bits and usually find some, so then I use the 600x600 one
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      • SultS_
        it searches most known databases and more
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      • Jozo
        nikki: I use download speed indicator... itunes is slow when I request 1200x1200 image ad its (not available)
      • 2013-05-24 14405, 2013

      • nikki
        that would mean paying attention when opening it :/
      • 2013-05-24 14401, 2013

      • SultS_
        offtopic conspiracy theory: new google maps doesn’t seem to work in firefox… coincidence? I think not…
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      • hawke_1
        You know what would be cool? a userscript that organized the works recordings list into a sortable table…
      • 2013-05-24 14448, 2013

      • nikki
        somewhere I had a branch that put them in a table
      • 2013-05-24 14416, 2013

      • reosarevok
        you know what would be cool? the guy who decided all municipalities in Slovenia would get ISO codes falling off a cliff
      • 2013-05-24 14428, 2013

      • nikki
        haha
      • 2013-05-24 14435, 2013

      • nikki
        is that your way of telling me to stop being distracted? :P
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: Sortable? I like see release date first
      • 2013-05-24 14449, 2013

      • reosarevok
        No, but this is: stop being distracted! :p
      • 2013-05-24 14455, 2013

      • reosarevok
        nikki ^ :p
      • 2013-05-24 14422, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Jozo: that’d be nice too
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: and something similar what SHS do
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      • hawke_1
        SHS?
      • 2013-05-24 14453, 2013

      • Jozo
        hawke_1: SecondHandSongs
      • 2013-05-24 14410, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Jozo: for my purpose (finding classical recordings which don‘t have correct performer artists set), sortable columns would be better though
      • 2013-05-24 14434, 2013

      • Jozo
        hawke_1: 'cos recording date is much much difficult to determine than release year
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      • hawke_1
        Jozo: It depends…sometimes recording date is easier.
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      • hawke_1
        Jozo: some genres (classical a lot of the time, and most discographies of early 78s have recording session info but not release dates
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: And on pop-albums you never know when they are recorded
      • 2013-05-24 14403, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Jozo: not true at all…just that you need to use different sources.
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      • hawke_1
        unrelated: Is the label wrong on this one, or the ASIN, or am I missing something? http://musicbrainz.org/release/66f01760-fe73-48d1…
      • 2013-05-24 14455, 2013

      • Jozo
        hawke_1: What sources provide me recording dates?
      • 2013-05-24 14405, 2013

      • hawke_1
        musicbrainz says Deutsche Grammophon, Amazon and the cover art say Archiv Produktion
      • 2013-05-24 14424, 2013

      • SultS_
        hawke_: I find it definetly hard to find any usable dates… release cover art showing that it was recorded between 2011-2012 is not very useful
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      • hawke_1
        Jozo: Live releases tend to have recording dates, and sometimes you can find articles about the production of $HOT_NEW_ALBUM
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      • SultS_
        I can’t use it on recordings
      • 2013-05-24 14438, 2013

      • hawke_1
        SultS_: Sure you can
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      • SultS_
        how?
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      • SultS_
        recording recorded in a course of 2 years?
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      • hawke_1
        put it as the start/end date.
      • 2013-05-24 14403, 2013

      • hawke_1
        yes?
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      • SultS_
        that’s not correct though
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      • hawke_1
        That seems fine to me.
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: Usually releases do not mention anything about recording dates
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      • SultS_
        that seems terrbile to me
      • 2013-05-24 14427, 2013

      • SultS_
        terrbile*
      • 2013-05-24 14431, 2013

      • SultS_
        terrible*
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      • hawke_1
        If they first made the recording in 2011, and made some further edits and additions and recorded some more vocals in 2012…that seems correct to me.
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      • SultS_
        there is no such info
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      • SultS_
        the dates are for the whole release
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      • SultS_
        not any separate recording
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: And If source says for album "recorded 2011-2012" you do not know which song are recorded when
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      • SultS_
        indeed
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      • hawke_1
        Jozo: But as has been pointed out before, in modern production there is no specific date/time on which a recording is made
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      • hawke_1
        it’s a longer process than '5 minutes in the studio'
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: I can just put recorded date to recorder relation if its only one
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      • SultS_
        hawke: that doesn’t mean 2011-2012 is correct for the recording
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      • hawke_1
        I don’t see '2011–2012' as any worse than just '2011'
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      • SultS_
        both are bad, because neither is verified information
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      • hawke_1
        e.g. if the release says “all tracks recorded in 2011” would you not put that for the recording date?
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      • SultS_
        both *could* be wrong
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      • SultS_
        I would
      • 2013-05-24 14418, 2013

      • hawke_1
        well, yeah. Anything *could* be wrong.
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      • SultS_
        but that’s one year
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      • SultS_
        the release doesn't say what year x recording was recorded
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      • hawke_1
        OK, and 2011–2012 could be just a month (december–january) but we don’t know, so we just put the best we have.
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: Album recorded between 2007-2012... what is recording date?
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      • SultS_
        it says sometime during these 2 years
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      • hawke_1
        Jozo: 2007–2012.
      • 2013-05-24 14412, 2013

      • SultS_
        we do put the best, but we don’t even have that info
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: And I put this to recording-work relation?
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      • hawke_1
        that info *is* the best we have, if the release says it.
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      • SultS_
        you can’t just assume release level info applies to every recording
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      • hawke_1
        Jozo: well, that’s what I would do. (and do do)
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: I do not
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      • nikki
        hawke_1: along the lines of http://nikki.mbsandbox.org/work/0e1c1082-03cb-358… (ignore the fact the existing relationships bit is repeated at the bottom)
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      • hawke_1
        2007-2012 could mean 'all were recorded in 2007, shelved for awhile and then edited further in 2012' or it could mean 'track 1 was recorded 2007, track 17 was recorded 2012' — it’s still the best info we have. Maybe another release will give us better info (I have had that happen in fact)
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      • hawke_1
        nikki: umm…?
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      • nikki
        hawke_1: I have no idea what you wanted then
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      • hawke_1
        nikki: that, but sortable, I think.
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      • hawke_1
        the table part seems fine
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      • nikki
        right, so along those lines :P
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      • nikki
        we don't have much sorting at all, but adding sorting with a userscript would be pretty easy afaik
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      • nikki
        (whereas converting the existing one means creating the table in the first place)
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      • hawke_1
        It would probably want a date column as well.
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: I do not still want guess... Or I do not want add info what is propably wrong
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      • nikki
        hawke_1: I see a date column...
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      • hawke_1
        Oh, just blank. :-D
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      • nikki
        exactly :P
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      • nikki
        presumably you have some better example you could look up
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: Same applies to "instruments performed" on that albums...
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      • SultS_
        hawke: your Unordered tracklists section in track numbering proposal can’t be followed, as long as http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-6404 remains unfixed
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: I have just one album in hand that says recording date is something beetweeb 2007-2011....
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: And many many albums that have "plays that instrument" on ALBUM