17:37 PM
hawke_1
The advantage of adding the work is that someone doesn’t have to do it later
2012-05-03 12458, 2012
17:37 PM
hawke_1
the disadvantage is that it would be easy for someone else to link to it incorrectly
2012-05-03 12433, 2012
17:38 PM
hawke_1
And then add a wrong composer, and bang you have a mislinked recording
2012-05-03 12436, 2012
17:41 PM
reosarevok
Yeah...
2012-05-03 12454, 2012
17:41 PM
hawke_1
I’d rather have an unlinked recording than a mislinked recording
2012-05-03 12456, 2012
17:41 PM
hawke_1
on the other hand
2012-05-03 12416, 2012
17:42 PM
hawke_1
Is anyone ever likely to find the composer of this song?
2012-05-03 12430, 2012
17:42 PM
hawke_1
And if not, is it bad that the recording stay unlinked forever?
2012-05-03 12448, 2012
18:13 PM
reosarevok
hawke_1: I'd argue it's not especially terrible
2012-05-03 12407, 2012
18:14 PM
reosarevok
(and if we change our mind later, it can be created then)
2012-05-03 12414, 2012
18:15 PM
hawke_1
indeed.
2012-05-03 12405, 2012
18:17 PM
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18:18 PM
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2012-05-03 12416, 2012
18:25 PM
hawke_1
How did they manage to make ISWCnet suck so badly?
2012-05-03 12456, 2012
18:28 PM
CatCat agrees on the replace cover art edit
2012-05-03 12404, 2012
18:29 PM
CatCat
i keep wanting to repalce coverart that's better
2012-05-03 12414, 2012
18:29 PM
CatCat
like "reupload to this
2012-05-03 12438, 2012
18:30 PM
CallerNo6
do we have cover art accepted terms, like "inside left" for an open CD case? or "inside right, under disc"?
2012-05-03 12452, 2012
18:30 PM
Leftmost joined the channel
2012-05-03 12419, 2012
18:33 PM
CallerNo6 reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc_packaging
2012-05-03 12449, 2012
18:33 PM
hawke_1
CallerNo6: wouldn’t “inside left” be “booklet back cover”?
2012-05-03 12452, 2012
18:33 PM
hawke_1
(on a CD)
2012-05-03 12459, 2012
18:33 PM
hawke_1
(standard jewel case)
2012-05-03 12420, 2012
18:34 PM
hawke_1
I think the under-disc thing there was talk of it being called “tray”
2012-05-03 12422, 2012
18:34 PM
CallerNo6
hawke_1: for a jewel case, yeah
2012-05-03 12432, 2012
18:34 PM
reosarevok
hawke_1: it could be worse - could be the Spanish one
2012-05-03 12448, 2012
18:34 PM
hawke_1
reosarevok: ?
2012-05-03 12450, 2012
18:34 PM
reosarevok
At least ISWCnet indicates composer/author/arranger
2012-05-03 12451, 2012
18:34 PM
CallerNo6
"tray" sounds good to me
2012-05-03 12456, 2012
18:34 PM
hawke_1
oh
2012-05-03 12401, 2012
18:35 PM
hawke_1
the spanish ISWC-like
2012-05-03 12403, 2012
18:35 PM
reosarevok
The Spanish one has "creator"
2012-05-03 12425, 2012
18:35 PM
nikki
CallerNo6: there isn't a single accepted term for the tray/inside tray/inner tray/back of back, which is why we don't yet have a type for it
2012-05-03 12424, 2012
18:36 PM
CallerNo6
sapir-whorf is right after all!
2012-05-03 12448, 2012
18:36 PM
CallerNo6
okay, not really
2012-05-03 12455, 2012
18:36 PM
nikki
2012-05-03 12456, 2012
18:36 PM
CallerNo6
thanks, all
2012-05-03 12422, 2012
18:37 PM
hawke_1
reosarevok: It might also help if these release I am working with were not Argentinian and from pre-1930
2012-05-03 12424, 2012
18:37 PM
hawke_1
(or so)
2012-05-03 12437, 2012
18:37 PM
nikki
2012-05-03 12408, 2012
18:38 PM
reosarevok
Probably :p
2012-05-03 12410, 2012
18:38 PM
hawke_1 votes for both of those
2012-05-03 12441, 2012
18:38 PM
reosarevok
I also wonder why the hell some tracks from an album are on iswcnet and others are not, if they all are in the Spanish one
2012-05-03 12427, 2012
18:39 PM
nikki
reosarevok: 2089
2012-05-03 12440, 2012
18:39 PM
reosarevok
... for the exec producer thing?
2012-05-03 12442, 2012
18:39 PM
nikki
yes
2012-05-03 12444, 2012
18:39 PM
reosarevok cries inside
2012-05-03 12403, 2012
18:44 PM
nikki
2012-05-03 12427, 2012
18:44 PM
nikki
2012-05-03 12426, 2012
18:49 PM
the_metalgamer joined the channel
2012-05-03 12423, 2012
18:50 PM
roosoft_
what's the most reliable technique to replicate and keep a musicbrainz database up to date on ubuntu 11.10 and postgresql 9.1?
2012-05-03 12405, 2012
18:56 PM
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2012-05-03 12458, 2012
19:08 PM
reosarevok
...
2012-05-03 12420, 2012
19:09 PM
reosarevok
EVIL WALKS ALBUM VERSION
2012-05-03 12435, 2012
19:09 PM
reosarevok
And AUAP08100031 gives EVIL WALKS
2012-05-03 12439, 2012
19:09 PM
reosarevok
(in SCPP)
2012-05-03 12443, 2012
19:09 PM
reosarevok
Fishy thing is fishy
2012-05-03 12444, 2012
19:14 PM
hawke_1
2012-05-03 12421, 2012
19:18 PM
reosarevok
Apparently, that "An artist that is used in the new artist credits has been deleted" :p
2012-05-03 12436, 2012
19:18 PM
reosarevok
Why that happened while there were pending edits? No idea
2012-05-03 12444, 2012
19:18 PM
hawke_1
yeah, but the artist, as far as I can tell, still exists
2012-05-03 12456, 2012
19:18 PM
hawke_1
2012-05-03 12415, 2012
19:19 PM
reosarevok
...
2012-05-03 12416, 2012
19:20 PM
reosarevok
2012-05-03 12422, 2012
19:20 PM
reosarevok
I assume it didn't move through the merge
2012-05-03 12440, 2012
19:20 PM
reosarevok
(note it was using the lowercase one)
2012-05-03 12446, 2012
19:20 PM
hawke_1
That happened after the “edit AC” though
2012-05-03 12454, 2012
19:20 PM
reosarevok
Sure
2012-05-03 12405, 2012
19:21 PM
reosarevok
But applied before it
2012-05-03 12406, 2012
19:21 PM
reosarevok
(3 votes)
2012-05-03 12414, 2012
19:21 PM
hawke_1
No, look at the close date
2012-05-03 12427, 2012
19:21 PM
hawke_1
oh wait
2012-05-03 12428, 2012
19:21 PM
hawke_1
heh
2012-05-03 12429, 2012
19:21 PM
reosarevok
:)
2012-05-03 12442, 2012
19:21 PM
hawke_1
ocharles: Can we have our new edit system yet?
2012-05-03 12423, 2012
19:22 PM
reosarevok
hawke_1: I think we can, as long as you donate enough money to MB to hire a dev for 3 months or so while Ollie works only on it :p
2012-05-03 12447, 2012
19:23 PM
hawke_1
2012-05-03 12409, 2012
19:26 PM
reosarevok
It's just you
2012-05-03 12430, 2012
19:26 PM
reosarevok
It should all exist, just not wrongly set as credits for VA :D
2012-05-03 12415, 2012
19:27 PM
hawke_1
If it weren’t ACs for VA, then it wouldn’t exist there. :-p
2012-05-03 12446, 2012
19:28 PM
reosarevok
Anyway, I fixed a few a couple weeks ago, and so did CatCat
2012-05-03 12451, 2012
19:28 PM
reosarevok
But it's just too much
2012-05-03 12457, 2012
19:29 PM
hawke_1
Yep
2012-05-03 12412, 2012
19:30 PM
hawke_1
musicbrainz major project #73
2012-05-03 12425, 2012
19:32 PM
reosarevok
Speaking of which, I should ask nikki to make a Mozart list
2012-05-03 12436, 2012
19:32 PM
hawke_1
Do we have work art yet? ;-)
2012-05-03 12443, 2012
19:32 PM
reosarevok
Kinda :p
2012-05-03 12446, 2012
19:32 PM
hawke_1
?
2012-05-03 12448, 2012
19:32 PM
reosarevok
I mean, we have IMSLP links
2012-05-03 12456, 2012
19:32 PM
reosarevok
So, scores - work art!
2012-05-03 12415, 2012
19:33 PM
hawke_1
hmm
2012-05-03 12437, 2012
19:33 PM
hawke_1
2012-05-03 12409, 2012
19:34 PM
reosarevok
Isn't that basically a score's cover?
2012-05-03 12453, 2012
19:34 PM
hawke_1
Yes, I believe so.
2012-05-03 12411, 2012
19:35 PM
reosarevok
So, same thing! :)
2012-05-03 12424, 2012
19:35 PM
reosarevok
But yeah, having the cover for a score show would be nice
2012-05-03 12426, 2012
19:35 PM
hawke_1
Doesn’t help much now though
2012-05-03 12439, 2012
19:35 PM
reosarevok
Well, it helps if you want to play it :p
2012-05-03 12448, 2012
19:35 PM
reosarevok
(I mean, what would you use work-art for?)
2012-05-03 12430, 2012
19:36 PM
hawke_1
I would use it for score covers. :-)
2012-05-03 12451, 2012
19:36 PM
reosarevok
I mean, what benefit would that give
2012-05-03 12406, 2012
19:37 PM
reosarevok
(since there are dozens of different score covers, too)
2012-05-03 12412, 2012
19:37 PM
hawke_1
Evidence for credits, for one.
2012-05-03 12430, 2012
19:37 PM
reosarevok
That doesn't make credits correct
2012-05-03 12444, 2012
19:37 PM
hawke_1
Neither does release cover art, but it’s still helpful
2012-05-03 12445, 2012
19:37 PM
reosarevok
(see all the "Bach" stuff no longer by Bach)
2012-05-03 12437, 2012
19:38 PM
reosarevok
(if I'm slow, it's cause I'm making sandwiches and watching coursera videos)
2012-05-03 12428, 2012
19:39 PM
hawke_1
2012-05-03 12428, 2012
19:41 PM
reosarevok
heh
2012-05-03 12437, 2012
19:41 PM
reosarevok
liftarn's crusade against game companies again?
2012-05-03 12410, 2012
19:42 PM
hawke_1
I guess so.
2012-05-03 12437, 2012
19:44 PM
reosarevok is too tired to argue with him
2012-05-03 12442, 2012
19:44 PM
reosarevok
It's ridiculous
2012-05-03 12444, 2012
19:44 PM
CallerNo6
How does an artist get promoted (demoted) to a SPA?
2012-05-03 12443, 2012
19:45 PM
CallerNo6
The annotation for Nintendo says to use it as a SPA (and I'd expect it to be a subset of [unknown]) but it's not on the official SPA page.
2012-05-03 12420, 2012
19:46 PM
CallerNo6 checks (maybe it was before the big SPA purge)
2012-05-03 12429, 2012
19:46 PM
dubwai
2012-05-03 12459, 2012
19:46 PM
reosarevok
dubwai: feat goes always to artist
2012-05-03 12418, 2012
19:47 PM
reosarevok
(now you tell me this is [unknown] :p)
2012-05-03 12429, 2012
19:47 PM
dubwai
ROFL
2012-05-03 12430, 2012
19:47 PM
dubwai
no
2012-05-03 12438, 2012
19:47 PM
dubwai
i know artist
2012-05-03 12448, 2012
19:47 PM
reosarevok
Then, yeah - to artist is the way to go :)
2012-05-03 12441, 2012
19:49 PM
CallerNo6 isn't sure what this meant http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/?title=Style/Unknown_and_untitled/Special_purpose_artist&oldid=28483#Collection_artists
2012-05-03 12418, 2012
19:50 PM
reosarevok
It's WE HATE THIS MOVE ALL TO COMPOSERS
2012-05-03 12426, 2012
19:50 PM
reosarevok
Which IMO doesn't make sense anymore now that we have works
2012-05-03 12434, 2012
19:50 PM
CallerNo6
did it mean that these were /unofficially/ treated as subsets of unknown until we know?
2012-05-03 12403, 2012
19:51 PM
CallerNo6
Or did it mean that they should be moved to [unknown] immediately?
2012-05-03 12425, 2012
19:51 PM
reosarevok
It says "informal"
2012-05-03 12434, 2012
19:51 PM
reosarevok
So it basically means "blah blah blah can't hear you"
2012-05-03 12443, 2012
19:51 PM
reosarevok
:)
2012-05-03 12415, 2012
19:52 PM
CallerNo6
/ word/
2012-05-03 12437, 2012
19:53 PM
dubwai
reosarevok: also capitlized 10 track on my cover?
2012-05-03 12453, 2012
19:53 PM
reosarevok
Probably, yes
2012-05-03 12408, 2012
19:54 PM
reosarevok
Seems to be capitalised because they wanted it to be (since the rest are all normal)
2012-05-03 12414, 2012
19:54 PM
CallerNo6
what I'm getting at is, maybe somebody (me) should change the annotation for Nintendo
2012-05-03 12426, 2012
19:54 PM
CallerNo6
since it's not really a SPA
2012-05-03 12445, 2012
19:56 PM
CallerNo6
hawke_1: I gather you'd rather use Nintendo the way we use [Disney]?
2012-05-03 12459, 2012
19:56 PM
CallerNo6
(until better info is found)
2012-05-03 12402, 2012
19:57 PM
hawke_1
CallerNo6: Maybe?
2012-05-03 12422, 2012
19:57 PM
hawke_1
I have no problem with using the specific composer if we know it
2012-05-03 12448, 2012
19:57 PM
reosarevok
For release credits, I might have
2012-05-03 12453, 2012
19:57 PM
hawke_1
but Nintendo is more useful information than [unknown] in the meantime
2012-05-03 12454, 2012
19:57 PM
reosarevok
(if what it says is "Nintendo")
2012-05-03 12459, 2012
19:57 PM
hawke_1
reosarevok: Ture
2012-05-03 12405, 2012
19:58 PM
hawke_1
*true
2012-05-03 12446, 2012
19:58 PM
reosarevok
And in any case, yeah
2012-05-03 12454, 2012
19:58 PM
reosarevok
It's kinda idiotic to do the move to [unknown]
2012-05-03 12402, 2012
19:59 PM
reosarevok
With Nintendo at least we can find them all together
2012-05-03 12415, 2012
19:59 PM
reosarevok
Even if we didn't want to keep them like that
