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      • jesus2099
        nikki, I replaced match("mixed") by match("}mixed") in dropdown bla bla
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      • hawke_
        Anyone happen to know what the initial 16 CD releases were, in 1983?
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      • hawke_
        or where I might find that information
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      • hawke_
        (the 16 CBS titles, that is)
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        hawke: sorry, no idea
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      • hawke_
        jesus2099: I found a list, thanks anyway.
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      • caller_6
        does anybody leave edit notes anymore? jeez?
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      • hawke_
        caller_6: Yes?
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        nikki: You around?
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      • caller_6
        hawke_: never has a typo made me sound so /totally/ like a valley girl.
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      • warp
        sometimes you discover weird little things when tagging music. http://musicbrainz.org/release/8cfa1c38-eb1d-4bd4… .
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      • hawke_
        warp: How’s that weird?
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      • hawke_
        Just ’cos it’s the same track title over and over?
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      • caller_6
        warp: now, for symmetry, I should add the arrangement for four pianos that I found a couple weeks ago. http://www.vanveenproductions.com/cd/8812/8812.htm
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      • warp
        caller_6: haha, brilliant. I wasn't aware of that one either.
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      • warp
        hawke_: that there exists an official c64 version of tubular bells is weird to me.
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      • hawke_
        warp: Ah. Nice. :-)
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      • Mineo
        a wild nikki appears!
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      • Mineo
        oh noes!
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      • hawke_
        dangit.
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      • nikki
        hawke_: I'm not sure what I'd do, the covers seem to prefer the list of people, websites seem to prefer niagara triangle... either way http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/7797bdc7-853… and http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/d83b365f-f07… should be the same release group
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      • hawke_
        Right, that’s mostly why I was asking.
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      • hawke_
        I recognized that they should be the same RG, but obviously for an RG to be the same they need to be on the same artist.
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      • hawke_
        The question is, which?
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      • nikki
        usually I just go for whichever was there first if I'm not sure, if anyone disagrees, it's easy enough to change the artist
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      • hawke_
        k.
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      • herojoker
        hi nikki :D (just greeting)
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      • nikki
        hey :D
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      • hawke_
        nikki: Another thing: I don’t suppose you’d have time to enter http://www.flickr.com/photos/ematcion/2078990742/… or possibly find a tracklisting I could copy/paste?
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      • hawke_
        Artist is http://musicbrainz.org/artist/85c1ff8e-b819-416d-… and the release date is 1982-10-1, CBS Sony cat# 35DH 5
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      • nikki
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      • hawke_
        nikki: Awesome, thanks.
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      • nikki
        :)
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      • hawke_
        All I was able to find was more lists of “the first 50 CDs ever released”
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      • herojoker
        a��|(
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      • zazi
        how would you interpret the ID3 WOAF frame (http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames)? - "...a file specific webpage..." (?)
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      • zazi
        currently I would tend to a track or even a song specific webpage, but not a file specific webpage, or?
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      • zazi
        that would be a website about my specific copy
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      • hawke_
        No…
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      • hawke_
        it would be about the unique pattern of bits which make up the file
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      • hawke_
        even if you rename it, the file data is still the same, so it’s still the same file.
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      • hawke_
        as far as I can tell (http://wiki.creativecommons.org/MP3) it’s basically a link to external metadata.
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      • hawke_
        But I suppose it could be anything about that file (not that copy of that file)
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      • zazi
        so I guess you are speaking about its manifestation, or?
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      • zazi
        so that's what I mean with track here
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      • zazi
        and song would be on the expression level (that is one level higher)
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      • hawke_
        I guess.
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      • zazi
        currently, I associate webpages in a WOAF frame also to tracks ;)
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      • hawke_
        But I don’t think it’s so specific as “the copy of this file which is on machine zazis-computer.example.org at location /home/zazi/file1.mp3”
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      • zazi
        but that's the file ;)
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      • hawke_
        No, it’s just a copy of the file.
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      • hawke_
        ;-)
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      • zazi
        ;)
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      • zazi
        yeah, this is a really arguable topic
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      • hawke_
        kinda like the letter A is “the letter A” no matter what font you use, that file is the data it contains no matter how it’s labelled
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      • zazi
        maybe also the reason, why mo:MusicalItem is currently not a sub class of frbr:Item :)
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      • hawke_
        …Made a bit stickier by the fact that changing id3 data also changes the file data, so in that sense it becomes a different file.
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      • zazi
        anyway, I think the manifestation is here currently a good choice
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      • hawke_
        Probably.
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      • zazi
        my dream is, that ID3 tags etc. are replace by Semantic Graph based descriptions (hopefully Music Ontology based) ;)
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      • hawke_
        Good luck with that. :-)
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      • zazi
        to force unambiguousness
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      • hawke_
        I wish that more OSes would do stuff with resource forks or something similar.
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      • zazi
        and the thing is, I know that we can do that and reach that goal ;)
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      • zazi
        because people get more satisfied by unambiguousness (in a certain kind), or?
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      • kepstin
        oh, great. this latest sakamoto maaya single consists of covers of songs from the 1970s which were originally released on vinyl
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      • kepstin
        however, they appear to be well documented on wikipedia, and have jasrac entries :)
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      • nikki
        have fun :P
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      • kepstin
        wee, got the track relations down
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      • ruaok
        wow.
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      • kepstin
        oh, great. they credit all 30+ members of a jazz band that performed on one of these tracks individually
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      • ruaok
        sending mail in ALL CAPS is bad.
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      • ruaok
        but really, did you have to go in ALL CAPS and add a yellow highlght?? really?
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      • ruaok
        kepstin: :-(
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      • ruaok
        paging jetlag boy, mr ocharles!
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      • ruaok
        nikki: you awake?
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      • nikki
        yes
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      • ruaok
        there is a fellow who has issues with picard and turkish characters.
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      • ruaok
        can I convince you to give this fellow a hand?
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      • ruaok
        and, when was the last time I paid you? its about time for another round, no?
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      • nikki
        I guess I can try, but I've not had any problems with it
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      • nikki
        middle of august
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      • ruaok
        this middle of the month thing is a bit silly.
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      • ruaok
        we should align it to fit when everyone else gets paid.
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      • ruaok
        should I pay you a little less now or a little more in a months time?
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      • ruaok
        (prorated, of course)
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      • nikki
        little more in a month
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      • ruaok
        ok, deal.