#musicbrainz

if two bootleg compilations contain exactly the same tracks (or rather, recordings), should they be in one RG?

or maybe just link them with "is a later release" AR?

If they contain the same recordings, I'd put them into one release group and link them as well.

The only real exceptions for bootlegs are live bootlegs – apparently because they'd likely contain different recordings of the same performance, but I didn't follow the discussion concerning them.

should the combined RG then be titled like "Title of Bootleg 1 / Title of 2"?

anyway, the merge is at http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12122459

cleaned other MM bootlegs up a bit as well

http://www.last.fm/music/%5Bunknown%5D - "on tour" :D

what should I put for proof that a collaboration artist is made up of the artists it's made up of, e.g. in http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12114468 this edit?

I would have been fine with what you said in your first note, but if they want something you could provide http://www.vixyandtony.com/about.html

hm. thanks. I'll see if the person who asked replies to clarify.

heh He replied just now

What release/track artist should I use for a cd which says "Cab Calloway" on the spine, "Cab Calloway and Orchestra" on the front cover and on the disc, and "Cab Calloway with the Cabbaliers" on the back cover with the track listing?

Is there a rule about obvious typos? I couldn't find it mentioned in the style guides. If the track listing on the cd says "Whats New" should I insering an apostrophe when adding the cd?

I dunno, could be that they meant to name the track "Whats New" and not "What's New"

I'm rather sure they didn't. This is a cover of an old jazz standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_New%3F

and the "correct" title should prob be "What's New?" with a question mark as well.

obvious typoes that misstaken (crappy wallmart releases etc) are fixed, a good indicator is if various sites have it with/without fixed

if you consequently find it only with the "broken" spelling thoguh, it might ne intentional

jazz standards are fixed to the jazz standar's "proper" use

'Take the "A" Train' for example

OK, thanks. In this case it's not a rerelease of a recording that has been released with the "proper" title earlier though, but something recorded in 2003.

What's the maximum track length supported by the server?

I tried to enter a 525948766 minutes long track, but it was set to -1 ms.

In the database the column is an INTEGER.

iirc, times are stored in ms. In seconds alone that is 31556925960, so 31556925960000. Which is clearly BUFFEROVERRUN time.

2147483647 is the apparent limit for INTEGERS in PostGres.

s/S/s/

1000 years long track? :)

longplayer

Yup

Cage atrocity?

srotta, that's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_As_Possible

So that would be yes.

8)

The Cage piece is just 639 years long.

I wanted the real deal.

v6lur: You said the same tracklists... yes these have the same tracklist. No, they don't have the same title though.

that's what i was asking about

considering they're both unofficial bootlegs... i don't know

v6lur: so long as the release exists, to my mind, it doesn't matter if it were legal or bootleg; what matters is the title that appeared on the thing, not the legality of the thing. :)

http://www.mansonwiki.com/wiki/File:Fromthevaul... http://www.mansonwiki.com/wiki/File:Marilyn_Man... and the REs for each are definitely different.

yes, i've seen those. since they have identical tracks, i thought it would make sense if the releases were together in one release group.

Doh; I thought you were merging the release, not the RG.

What a relief.

See my comment :)

about the title: would "Genesis of the Devil / From the Vaults" or something similar be ok?

i asked about this earlier, but no-one replied...

no idea; I left a note about it in the talk page of that proposal

btw, speaking of wiki-stuff, has anyone ever actually seen this page, or this concept? Band With Main Performer Name http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Band_With_Main_Perf...

I just ran across it for the first time

It reads like it's trying to set a complicated definition for what really is just a collaboration that decided to give itself a name...

...and that name is the same name as one person in the collab.

I think it's about keeping separate entries for artists like Marilyn Manson or Nena and their bands

And that you should check who is actually meant when they are credited.

Do we need a whole page defining those rare artists? (Esp given the text that was on Supporting Musician Relationship Type, which suggested inventing such artists rather than using that AR)

anyone able to explain how public key authentication works? I figure it's a challenge-response type thing, but I don't get how the challenge is decided

aCiD2: the client could say "hi, i've got this key", and then the server can decide to validate it if it's heard of that key

I guess the client should encrypt that key with the servers public key too

yes, typically there is a session key negotiated first

ok, that makes sense

Of course the actual key isn't trnasferred at any point, but something that's encrypted with that key.

[11:21] juhaesrotta, that's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_As_Possible

[11:22] srottaSo that would be yes.

[11:22] srotta8)

[11:23] KRSCuanThe Cage piece is just 639 years long.

[11:23] KRSCuanI wanted the real deal.

what?

hn

Now grooving to: "Weird Al" Yankovic ~ Fat (3:37) (from Even Worse) (1988)

Did you look at the wikipedia page?

yes, i noticed there was one jsut afteri pasted lols

so yea

you know if they recorded it, and thn sped up it really fast, ould it sound like a regular pice?

of music?

Well, it's Cage, so answer would be "no".

8)

Guys I am working on all the albums of a group is there any way to get edits pushed instantly so I can finish it today?

schlifers: What edits are blocking you?

brianfreud: a lot of edits regarding http://musicbrainz.org/artist/c06c8a2d-6a60-48d...

I see 32 edits, but many have no verification. For the others, they all look like transliteration differences?

brianfreud: most are release events with spelling fixes from the official site/wikipedia

http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12124979 is wrong

It's not English, but it is Latin

Ishq isn't listed at http://www.junoon.com/jeemography.html so I can't check those edits.

Ok, I got you from 32 down to 18, but you need sources for some, and have problems with others, in that 18. http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?...

brianfreud: the language is supposed to be urdu and is available in previous releases but I cannot select it

I will add the sources for the rest

hit "show full lists" to get Urdu

As for the script, all the text on your IRC screen, and in those releases - that's Latin :)

ruaok: Is CA in a different daylight savings from EST? 1 PM PST, but still 3 PM EST?

;)

brianfreud: added sources for those that were missing some are pronunciation fixes and sometimes the original website gets is wrong and wikipedia gets it right. It is really hard to get a 100% correct source since you are trying to pronounce one language in another

I have to admit, I don't agree with a lot of the reasoning in these later notes

Artist's website always wins against Wikipedia or 'general pronounciation', imho

and the RE edits are giving YYYY-MM-DD and a country; Wikipedia only has YYYY.

the dates are 1 link deep

http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12124981 added another comment will help convince you.

damn.

schlifers: Are the titles on the liners in Urdu/whatever script, or in transliterated Latin?

ruaok :D

It is in Urdu

they are*

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/urdu.htm ?

If so, then there's other fixes to be made to the releases. :D

Language: Urdu, Script: Latin, Release Status: Pseudo-release (not Release)

it's nt transliteration but writiibg in english so that when you pronounce the word it sounds the same

ok I will do that couldn't see urdu before

umm, that's the definition of transliteration

though replace "english" with "latin"

Latin script --> http://www.omniglot.com/writing/latin.htm#modern

nope; I'm not sure what that's called, but it's not translation or transliteration

Transcription.

ding :)

brianfreud: can you approve the ones with the notes added then I will fix the language for all

That got it down some, but still the REs, and for the others, the artist was consistent.