19:56 PM
ruaok holds for a sec.
2007-08-15 22718, 2007
19:56 PM
luks
but I failed at adding it to the WS
2007-08-15 22718, 2007
19:56 PM
ruaok and listens
2007-08-15 22719, 2007
19:56 PM
warp cheers on the tagging coders
2007-08-15 22738, 2007
19:56 PM
luks
GET /ws/1/tag/ should return list of user's tags
2007-08-15 22757, 2007
19:56 PM
luks
because if we want to have applications to support tagging, they need to know what tags are already there
2007-08-15 22702, 2007
19:57 PM
ruaok
yep.
2007-08-15 22727, 2007
19:57 PM
ruaok
wanna split the tasks? you do this one and I do the transaction mucking?
2007-08-15 22752, 2007
19:57 PM
luks
ok
2007-08-15 22703, 2007
19:58 PM
ruaok
ok, on to coverart ARs.
2007-08-15 22708, 2007
19:58 PM
ruaok
MBChatLogger: off
2007-08-15 22708, 2007
19:58 PM
MBChatLogger
is not logging
2007-08-15 22723, 2007
20:09 PM
MBChatLogger
is logging
2007-08-15 22725, 2007
20:09 PM
ruaok
so....
2007-08-15 22750, 2007
20:09 PM
ruaok
luks: do you think that changing the coverart support to have direct links is a good idea?
2007-08-15 22709, 2007
20:10 PM
brianfreud
mbchatlogger: off
2007-08-15 22709, 2007
20:10 PM
MBChatLogger
is not logging
2007-08-15 22755, 2007
20:41 PM
MBChatLogger
is logging
2007-08-15 22703, 2007
20:42 PM
ruaok
I hate this BS.
2007-08-15 22710, 2007
20:42 PM
brianfreud
and that's who was hiding in the grassy knoll.
2007-08-15 22715, 2007
20:42 PM
brianfreud
:P
2007-08-15 22718, 2007
20:42 PM
ruaok
lol
2007-08-15 22736, 2007
20:42 PM
ruaok heats up some food
2007-08-15 22737, 2007
20:42 PM
luks
now some more productive question... :)
2007-08-15 22739, 2007
20:42 PM
JoanW
welcome back
2007-08-15 22747, 2007
20:42 PM
ruaok
shoot.
2007-08-15 22748, 2007
20:42 PM
luks
when do we want to have the test version of the next release ready?
2007-08-15 22753, 2007
20:42 PM
luks
next week?
2007-08-15 22712, 2007
20:43 PM
ruaok
I'm afraid I wont make it through my bug list before then,
2007-08-15 22719, 2007
20:43 PM
ruaok
its looong.
2007-08-15 22736, 2007
20:43 PM
ruaok
and I'm afk from 24.8 til 3.9
2007-08-15 22757, 2007
20:43 PM
ruaok
and my brain is scheduled for dry cleaning on 5.9 :)
2007-08-15 22713, 2007
20:44 PM
brianfreud
I haven't looked - has anyone put in a bug yet for the screwy display of edit notes on edits?
2007-08-15 22722, 2007
20:44 PM
ruaok isn't sure.
2007-08-15 22724, 2007
20:44 PM
brianfreud
2007-08-15 22746, 2007
20:44 PM
JoanW has quit
2007-08-15 22749, 2007
20:44 PM
brianfreud
the timestamp moved to in front of the notes, and is causing all sorts of funkyness
2007-08-15 22714, 2007
20:45 PM
luks
I think this xhtml branch can't do the release
2007-08-15 22723, 2007
20:45 PM
luks
it would cause too many problems
2007-08-15 22730, 2007
20:45 PM
ruaok
would more time help?
2007-08-15 22738, 2007
20:45 PM
brianfreud
the menu parts seem ok, but the rest of the pages still need some work
2007-08-15 22739, 2007
20:45 PM
luks
er, *can't do to the release
2007-08-15 22747, 2007
20:45 PM
luks
ruaok: I'm not sure
2007-08-15 22700, 2007
20:46 PM
ruaok
separate non schema change release?
2007-08-15 22712, 2007
20:46 PM
luks
it would be probably safer that way
2007-08-15 22717, 2007
20:46 PM
ruaok
ok.
2007-08-15 22753, 2007
20:46 PM
ruaok
I can keep working on bugs for the next week and maybe we can get a an early version of the new branch up by the time I leave>?
2007-08-15 22706, 2007
20:47 PM
ruaok
then when I get back I can work on more bugs and the tagging improvements.
2007-08-15 22709, 2007
20:47 PM
ruaok
UI improvements.
2007-08-15 22723, 2007
20:47 PM
ruaok
how does that sound for an approach?
2007-08-15 22736, 2007
20:47 PM
luks
sounds good
2007-08-15 22745, 2007
20:47 PM
ruaok
so, shoot for say... a formal call for testing on the 23rd?
2007-08-15 22700, 2007
20:48 PM
brianfreud
Could I make a suggestion?
2007-08-15 22705, 2007
20:48 PM
luks
yep, that's fine
2007-08-15 22710, 2007
20:48 PM
ruaok
ok. deal.
2007-08-15 22720, 2007
20:48 PM
ruaok
brianfreud: its never stopped you before. :)
2007-08-15 22725, 2007
20:48 PM
brianfreud
LOL
2007-08-15 22727, 2007
20:48 PM
brianfreud
Problem I always run into on test is I'm normally not really sure what is new that needs testing.
2007-08-15 22746, 2007
20:48 PM
ruaok
how about we issue a changelog before the test?
2007-08-15 22746, 2007
20:48 PM
brianfreud
Any chance of a list of the new stuff that is aimed at the release, so we know what specifically to test?
2007-08-15 22758, 2007
20:48 PM
brianfreud
yeah, that's the idea
2007-08-15 22712, 2007
20:49 PM
ruaok
we'll include that in the formal test announcement.
2007-08-15 22707, 2007
20:50 PM
murdos
2007-08-15 22742, 2007
20:50 PM
murdos
could be useful to track what should be tested
2007-08-15 22707, 2007
20:51 PM
murdos
?
2007-08-15 22706, 2007
20:52 PM
ruaok
thanks for volunteering murdos!
2007-08-15 22709, 2007
20:52 PM
ruaok snickers
2007-08-15 22713, 2007
20:52 PM
murdos
ah ah :)
2007-08-15 22717, 2007
20:52 PM
ruaok
:-)
2007-08-15 22702, 2007
20:53 PM
murdos
ok, I'll start something, but you know it's a wiki anyone can contribute ;)
2007-08-15 22730, 2007
20:53 PM
ruaok
I will write up the tagging stuff, for sure
2007-08-15 22707, 2007
20:54 PM
murdos
thanks :) anyway I couldn't have written the tagging stuff ^^
2007-08-15 22718, 2007
20:55 PM
brianfreud
luks: on the other thing, I have acid2 on IM - you need to talk to him at all about it now?
2007-08-15 22718, 2007
20:56 PM
luks
no, it's too late for me to talk about technical things in picard
2007-08-15 22723, 2007
20:56 PM
brianfreud
lol, ok
2007-08-15 22732, 2007
20:56 PM
ruaok
lol
2007-08-15 22727, 2007
20:57 PM
brianfreud is intregued by the concept of being able to add options menu pages for plugins... starts thinking search configuration ability...
2007-08-15 22712, 2007
21:05 PM
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21:06 PM
luks
brianfreud: I see you added something to the VS wiki page...
2007-08-15 22720, 2007
21:06 PM
brianfreud
ya, a few
2007-08-15 22726, 2007
21:06 PM
luks
2007-08-15 22731, 2007
21:06 PM
brianfreud
needed something to do while I ignore Morricone :P
2007-08-15 22746, 2007
21:06 PM
luks
I'd like to have the 302 ... series complete
2007-08-15 22706, 2007
21:07 PM
brianfreud
yes, I saw your label note - I added a few other cancelled releases to the list
2007-08-15 22756, 2007
21:07 PM
brianfreud
nice
2007-08-15 22713, 2007
21:08 PM
brianfreud
you adding the colosseum events?
2007-08-15 22723, 2007
21:08 PM
luks
not for now
2007-08-15 22732, 2007
21:08 PM
luks
only if there already is now without cat# info
2007-08-15 22740, 2007
21:08 PM
luks
*is one
2007-08-15 22745, 2007
21:08 PM
brianfreud
I see CVS numbers, but not VSD ones - oh, right, you're doing the 302s...
2007-08-15 22732, 2007
21:09 PM
brianfreud
I wish there was some way to edit a wiki table as a table...
2007-08-15 22740, 2007
21:09 PM
neonlamp joined the channel
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21:09 PM
brianfreud
editing a table as large as this one in wikicode's a pain in the neck
2007-08-15 22719, 2007
21:15 PM
yllona
do spreadsheets export to XHTML? or can you embed a spreadsheet as PDF? something like that?
2007-08-15 22731, 2007
21:15 PM
yllona
or XML?
2007-08-15 22722, 2007
21:16 PM
brianfreud
Best I've found is to take the table, dump it in Excel, and data -> columns on "|"
2007-08-15 22700, 2007
21:17 PM
brianfreud
then re-add the |'s later, make sure to incorporate any changes since I snagged my copy (luks, whoever), add them in, and paste it all back
2007-08-15 22715, 2007
21:17 PM
yllona
yeah... primitive but effective
2007-08-15 22737, 2007
21:17 PM
brianfreud
a true moinmoin wysiwyg table editor, with basic sort, etc would be so nice
2007-08-15 22752, 2007
21:17 PM
brianfreud
wikipedia recently added sortable tables, though I don't know what they're like to edit
2007-08-15 22732, 2007
21:18 PM
yllona
i'm nore familiar with mediawiki than moinmoin
2007-08-15 22735, 2007
21:18 PM
ruaok
wow. we have nearly 10k labels. impressive. :)
2007-08-15 22750, 2007
21:18 PM
brianfreud
||CELL 1||CELL 2||CELL 3||CELLL 4||
2007-08-15 22754, 2007
21:18 PM
brianfreud
over and over and over
2007-08-15 22725, 2007
21:19 PM
brianfreud
So I'm working with "||1997||CD||VSD-5766||Batman||various McNeely, J. C||" or "||?||Cassette||VSC-5272||[wiki:Album:d2c316f5-9839-4a2d-9526-fed8316f2969 Back To The Future Part III]||||"
2007-08-15 22753, 2007
21:19 PM
brianfreud
just really ugly in plain text
2007-08-15 22734, 2007
21:31 PM
ruaok
2007-08-15 22743, 2007
21:31 PM
CatCat
mooo
2007-08-15 22754, 2007
21:32 PM
luks
umm
2007-08-15 22722, 2007
21:33 PM
ruaok
respond tomorrow if you're too tired.
2007-08-15 22734, 2007
21:33 PM
luks
well, the refcount value doesn't represent the tag usage
2007-08-15 22747, 2007
21:33 PM
luks
that is, how many people used it
2007-08-15 22723, 2007
21:34 PM
luks
so for generating a tag cloud or anything else that need "weigth" tha tags, it's not the best option
2007-08-15 22718, 2007
21:35 PM
luks
but I'm not sure if it's worth tracking also the real usage...
2007-08-15 22741, 2007
21:35 PM
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21:35 PM
CatCat
no clouds!
2007-08-15 22752, 2007
21:35 PM
CatCat hates tagclouds
2007-08-15 22707, 2007
21:36 PM
CatCat
id rather do it with colour
2007-08-15 22716, 2007
21:36 PM
luks
how?
2007-08-15 22755, 2007
21:36 PM
ruaok
that is to track cumulative tag usage, not on a per entity basis?
2007-08-15 22714, 2007
21:37 PM
CatCat
something like darkest and reddest for the biggest, lighter towards orange &yellow for smaller
2007-08-15 22723, 2007
21:37 PM
luks
ruaok: yes
2007-08-15 22731, 2007
21:37 PM
CatCat
untikl you get to lime green for smallest
2007-08-15 22736, 2007
21:37 PM
brianfreud
no blue?
2007-08-15 22738, 2007
21:37 PM
CatCat
or something
2007-08-15 22740, 2007
21:37 PM
brianfreud likes blue
2007-08-15 22746, 2007
21:37 PM
outsidecontext
catcat: this makes till a tag cloud :-P
2007-08-15 22748, 2007
21:37 PM
CatCat
blue is darker than yellow again id say
2007-08-15 22752, 2007
21:37 PM
Muz_
Moos
2007-08-15 22753, 2007
21:37 PM
Muz_
e
2007-08-15 22755, 2007
21:37 PM
ruaok
luks: I dont see the immediate benefit of that. can we just leave it be for now?
2007-08-15 22701, 2007
21:38 PM
brianfreud
roy g biv
2007-08-15 22701, 2007
21:38 PM
luks
sure
2007-08-15 22705, 2007
21:38 PM
CatCat
muuuzee
2007-08-15 22705, 2007
21:38 PM
ruaok
the per entity clouds would work ok with that we have, right?
2007-08-15 22706, 2007
21:38 PM
Muz_
Tag clouds are awesome!
2007-08-15 22722, 2007
21:38 PM
luks
yes, this is only for global tag view
2007-08-15 22725, 2007
21:38 PM
yllona
i'd only recommend using color if it meets accessibility standards.
2007-08-15 22728, 2007
21:38 PM
Muz_
They're an efficient, easy to understand method of conveying multiple properties associated to one given item
2007-08-15 22732, 2007
21:38 PM
ruaok
ok, I can do with out that.
2007-08-15 22732, 2007
21:38 PM
CatCat
tag clouds are hatefull, i cnt pay attentino t owhats one screen when huge blobs of texxt scream at me
2007-08-15 22706, 2007
21:39 PM
MartinRudat
yllona: it'd be niftier if you could say I like colour, I like clouds, I like greyscale, ...
2007-08-15 22709, 2007
21:39 PM
brianfreud
2007-08-15 22715, 2007
21:39 PM
Muz_
Tag clouds also grab attention and allow for the better flow of one nav point to another ;)
2007-08-15 22726, 2007
21:39 PM
CatCat
ugh
2007-08-15 22744, 2007
21:39 PM
CatCat
ding brainfrø: thats exacklty why i disliek them
2007-08-15 22759, 2007
21:39 PM
ruaok
ha! totally useless.
2007-08-15 22700, 2007
21:40 PM
luks
the MB ones don't look like that
2007-08-15 22701, 2007
21:40 PM
MartinRudat
...oh, and "don't show tags", too, I suppose.
2007-08-15 22701, 2007
21:40 PM
CatCat
its noize for the eyes
