#musicbrainz

that's what ruaok's for :P

see that's how much I know :P

ruaokk: I think we found a good re-purposing for stimpy

lol

wow. ryanair flies to oslo

:D

you could tke t-shirt and crack (ehe) with you

probably be cheeper as a flight rofl

hi yllona!

hello mo, haow are you?

whole computers are made from bits and pieces

:)

I wanted to talk to you ang. those 'live jazz' things and http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ReleaseTypeRestruct...

yes, but I don't know where each pice and bob goes

just glue it all in a clump

wow. 20GBP for a flight to Oslo Torp.

mo did you write this wiki page^^?

yllona: do you think that the jazz (and other 'played for a live audience) release should have a release attribute?

and yes, I did

it's the singular most work i've ever putten in a projeect on mb

(besides amybe uriah heep)

mo: most jazz recordings marked "live" are in fact played in front of an audience, even if the audience was invited into the recording studio

yes I noticed you said that

I came across it when i was adding elligton releases from the library

and the releases said 'recorded infornt of a live audience' and I thought 'live'

when i said recorded live (direct-to-tape), i meant that there's very little post-production on the recording

(i even marked some as live, as i didn't know what was it about)

I know what you mean

its sort of a middle thing between live (concert) and studio album

I'm running into the same with unplugged releases - they're not really either, but a middle between the two

its a studio album, recorded in a studio, but very little pist production is done and its an audiaencethere

it gives you 'ballroom feel'

yes

exactly my point

goodevening!

do you (both of you) feel like it augo have its separate category?

hi warpen

"studio with audience"?

well if there's audience participation (like applause) i would consider that a "live" recording

catgroove: that would make for a more accurate release designation

even if it was recoded i n a studio, yllona?

yes mo.

I see

hang on, here an example:

:D

but do you thinka suboption under 'live' might be good?

I understand

this album was recorded ina record studio with an audience. due to technical limitations of the era, recording in a night club wasn't an option

was pretty common in those days

I seeee

I understand

I'm erying to revamp the release options

ok, ready time - back in an hour!

I see a difference between "studio live" and "live concert"

and its exactly casesliek this where the current options aren't good

I have to an option

BrianFreud: exactly!

BrianFreud: i don't, as long as there is audience participation

yllona: but that isn't always the case

MTV Unplugged, for example: there is an audience, but they are very controlled, and no interaction

MTV unplugged is decidedly "live"

Simon and Garfukel live in NY Park: there is an audience, it is not controlled, there is interaction

here is my example http://musicbrainz.org/release/334c6f7e-86a7-4c... and http://musicbrainz.org/release/aab4c567-8a02-45...

that is BBC sessions

in studio, but you can definitely hear audience clapping

BrianFreud: i've not heard an MTV unplugged without audience interaction, but i've not heard them all....

but you can also definitely hear them its only a rather small room

yllona: I've seen raw tapes - not the broadcast ones - and the audience is beyond controlled :P

BBC sessions would be "live"

what about Peel sessions then?

I do thin k that a release where you can't hear an audience is just a regular studio release (does the mike-guy or the produceer coutn as audience?)

BrianFreud: i've seen the "roughs" too

they're BBC sessions, studio no audience

those are rehearsal tapes

these definitely have audience

yllona: exactly - so in your case, would the rehearsal be considered "live" or "studio"? It's both

yesterday, i asked for a rehearsal type... could be an AR

why be so specific though? rehearsal isn't the only case where such is true

depends on how the content is/was released. a rehearsal take could be released as an "alt take" as discussed yesterday

ha. flight to Oslo: 20GBP. Train to airport: 23GBP. Sheesh.

soundchecks... rehearsals... run throughs... the jazz examples... some BBC sessions, etc

ruaok: waah, from where?

GBP .. uk

Why be specific, indeed. Use "Other", or "Live", or something that seems most appropriate, and add more information into annotations, if there's something worth mentioning.

London Liverpool to Stansted Airport.

ruaok: you're visiting europe soonish?

srotta: i agree

yes.

I don't think there's need to catalog _everything_ precisely, that's endless road.

first two weeks of june.

that's pretty much waht i said yesterday

ruaok: ah :)

I'm contemplating vising .de, .no or .nl

ruaok: Finland?

:P

.fi is on the list, but not this time around.

going north is expensive.

D:

ruaok: whereabouts in .de? (.de is not that far from .nl)

Hamburg. My hometown.

but I'm not that keen on that option.

A friend of mine was just in London, ticket was 1 cent plus taxes :P

i plan to also be in .no this year, but not in june :)

lol, cost's me more than that to take a bus downtown :P

all of my actual relatives in Hamburg have died and my .de friends will visit me in london.

ruaok: ok, well, you're obviously welcome here in .nl again :D

Of course, the taxes are something like 10 euros, but it's still reasonable.

srotta: thats EXACTLY what I am looking at.

warp: .nl and leiden in particular is one of the possibilities.

if you do visit .nl, let me know if you need anything etc..

:ss

alsoa visit to amazon if you have a chance

amazon.com? j/k

mo: yes

erh

but really. we have railway monoployhere.. so they charge just what they like :((

most people ljust fly instead of using railway (or they use theri car)

cause railway is $$$$

Well, non-monopoly railways aren't that great either.

O RLY?

norwegian sites ARE SUX0R

they don't have the language content set so I have to t00b about with my settings everytime I visit one

are there people anywhere in the world who don't complain about their country's railway companies?

here!

North Korea?

And ruaok.

oh, and I think everyone is happy with the Icelandic Railway Company.

ooh, never been to iceland. should visit that sometime.

actually, i should visit _anything_ which isn't germany, belgium or france.

my plans so far: norway (+ germany) again this summer, UK this autumn, south korea .. some day :)

ruaok: I was just about to ask if there indeed is any railways.

ruaok: it doesn't exist? :)

yep, no such thing.

warp: There's one, service rail for hydropower plant. :D

no point if you have 100k people in your country.

"Apart from a short line used in the construction of Reykjavik harbour in the early 20th century, there have never been any railways in Iceland."