#musicbrainz

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      • nikki
        I need to change the filesystem on my external drive, fat32 is driving me nuts
      • but I can't decide which to use :/
      • Wizzcat
        cross-platform compatability for other file systems isn't exactly great
      • nikki
        I only need linux and osx
      • xlotlu
        nikki: xfs
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      • what do i do with an excerpt from a poem that's been given its own "track name"?
      • srotta
        Listen to it?
      • Wizzcat
        two tracks in one you mean?
      • xlotlu
        no, i mean you have the poem, with a single title and no "sub-chapters"
      • then some guy records an excerpt from it and names the track with a name never used before
      • which does indeed tell the part of the poem that's been excerpted...
      • Wizzcat
        just roll with whatever he's named it I guess
      • xlotlu
        "My never-used before title" (from Poem Title)
      • ^^ ugly..
      • Poem Title: "Never-used before title" <-- less ugly, but rather dumb
      • MClemo
        "Never-used before title" (previously unissued title) ;-)
      • Wizzcat
        I presume you have no other track to link it to?
      • xlotlu
        :P
      • I have lots of tracks to (not) link it to :)
      • or to answer your question, there is one more excerpt from that poem, and has nothing to do with the order they're in, or percentage of the poem they cover
      • so the track titles here (as far as the poem excerpts are concerned) are only to pinpoint the part where it's excerpted from... but nevertheless they're the "release track titles"
      • and then again, there's the odd fully reproduced sonnet
      • and they called the track: "When to the sessions" (Sonnet No.30)
      • srotta
        So use those track titles and annotate the release / tracks properly.
      • xlotlu
        the beginning of sonnet 30's being: When to the sessions of sweet silent thought....
      • srotta: define annotate
      • srotta
        Free-text annotations.
      • xlotlu
        as in, define what you'd expect to read in such an annotation :P
      • srotta
        Just say "Tracks are excerpts from Ode to a Small Lump of Green Putty I Found in My Armpit One Midsummer Morning".
      • xlotlu
        rofl
      • since all but one track names are the exact starting lyrics, i'd rather find a way to use the poem name as the "main part" of the track title
      • e.g. Sonnet No. 1052 ["Pretty lyrics here"]
      • .. or something
      • and Big Work, Act IV Scene 2: ["Some other lyrics"]
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      • MClemo
        Big Work, Act IV, Scene II. "Lyrics" would be closer to OperaTrackStyle
      • xlotlu
        i wanted to use the colon to point out it's an excerpt
      • MClemo: you suggest ditching the square brackets?
      • MClemo
        xlotlu: err, why do you want them?
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      • xlotlu
        because those lyrics excerpts are not really titles..
      • or maybe they should be "Lyrics excerpt [...]"
      • now i remember why i stopped entering these damned julian bream releases a while ago :)
      • MClemo
        as there's no style guide for this, I guess you can do whatever you want :P
      • I wouldn't put _that much_ thought in it
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      • xlotlu
      • Wizzcat
        I'm so voting no on that
      • xlotlu
        good, then you're welcome to enter it yourself :P
      • Wizzcat
        good grief what a cover :p
      • MClemo
        you have to say "voting NO", otherwise people don't see it
      • jherm
        luks: some time when you get a chance, i'd like to ask you to look at another crash. it appears to be a memory leak in picard...
      • nikki will never understand the whole shouting "no" at people when voting no
      • xlotlu
        Wizzcat: damn, you voted before my second comment :P
      • NO, NO, NO, NOWAY, voting NO!
      • aCiD2
        OH DEAR GOD *NO*
      • aCiD2 abstains
      • Wizzcat
        I can change it to no if that'll make you feel better ;)
      • xlotlu
        heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey stop that whoever's editing my release
      • Wizzcat
        good job btw, I hate it when labels do stupid things like that tracklist
      • xlotlu
        damn it :)
      • MClemo
        the simple "No" on the edit pages should be changed to "<strong>NO</strong>"
      • aCiD2
        <strong><em> for good measure
      • xlotlu
        can i get some votes for this please? http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9076790
      • Wizzcat
        s/no/<strong>NOES!1</strong>/
      • aCiD2
        :P
      • xlotlu
        since i have no clue how well the MB server deals with data integrity when merging ASINs..
      • aCiD2
        voted yes, even though I could just approve it :P
      • MClemo
        now xlotlu has to wait two minutes
      • Wizzcat
        automods can fast-track other peoples edits as well?
      • MClemo
        one minute i.e.
      • xlotlu
        no, Wizzcat has to wait 1 minute, and then add that ASIN as well
      • MClemo
        Wizzcat: you can approve (apply immediately) all edits that are autoedits for autoeditors
      • so pretty much every edit that doesn't remove or merge something
      • Wizzcat
        if it has no votes as well?
      • nikki
        yes
      • Wizzcat
        yikes
      • MClemo
        yes. But you wouldn't do that :)
      • nikki
        but you have to leave a note
      • MClemo
        or you'd have to have a reason for it ;)
      • nikki
        the idea is basically that if you're an autoeditor, you could simply do the edit yourself and end up making the original edit fail
      • Wizzcat
        voice did that to me once :(
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      • aCiD2
        heh, it's happened to me a few times too
      • nikki
        think it's happened to everyone
      • outsidecontext
        jherm: did you and ruaok succeed with your picard packaging on the mac?
      • aCiD2
      • Given it's a re-release of his previous albums, which we appear to have: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/054b0483-eeb8-48c...
      • xlotlu
        i wonder if it's legal under fair use to cache 10 seconds of a track at low quality
      • warp
        xlotlu: that statement needs a bit more context to answer i think.
      • warp buys more music.
      • nikki
        hey warp!
      • xlotlu
        as in... picard sending along with the puid submission a low quality small part of the track
      • outsidecontext
        xlotlu: why?
      • srotta
        In Finland that would be obviously illegal. Same goes for other Nordic countries, and I'd guess Netherlands and Germany as well.
      • xlotlu
        outsidecontext: if would be helpful in sorting out messed up puid assignments
      • srotta
        Ah, I read it wrong, don't know what I was really thinking. Don't know if it matters, though. :P
      • outsidecontext
        xlotlu: how? the audio/puid pair would always match but could still be assigned to the wrong track
      • srotta
        outsidecontext: If you had a list of PUID/audio pairs you could listen if they really sound the same.
      • So yeah, that could help identifying wrong PUIDs. I don't know if it would be worh the trouble, though, and a lot would depend on the actual implementation.
      • nikki
        I'd still like special puids generated from and linked to a cd toc
      • xlotlu
        outsidecontext: common scenario: i have a piano concerto track with 4 puids. one of these puids is also assigned to a violin concerto
      • deadchip
        aCiD2, i'm really getting there with a comprehensive track details plugin: http://futurepast.free.fr/mb-lastfm-info.jpg
      • but too bad i still can't decipher the instruments :(
      • aCiD2
        deadchip: still, looking awesome :)
      • deadchip
        :)
      • thanks
      • aCiD2
        is there anyway I can try it out?
      • outsidecontext
        xlotlu: i see the point. at first i thought you had some automatic removal of wrong puids in mind
      • xlotlu
        i wish i did :)
      • outsidecontext
        :)
      • deadchip
        aCiD2, you'd need to compile it from source on Linux
      • aCiD2
        i don't mind that
      • as long as you have a sane build chain :P
      • deadchip
        yeah
      • aCiD2
        We recommend Picard \o/
      • deadchip
        yeah :D
      • LotR
        deadchip: why the change from bmpx to mpx?
      • deadchip
        LotR, it's a different app
      • aCiD2, i also wrote a dedicated tagcloud widget: http://futurepast.free.fr/mpx-tagcloud.jpg
      • LotR
        oh. it looks very similar
      • deadchip
        yeah but it's definitely different when you use it
      • just realized it myself laast night
      • aCiD2
        tag clouds are so sexy
      • deadchip
        yeah lol
      • aCiD2
        "i f-ing love this track"
      • deadchip
        hmm maybe i should limit the number of tags to 100 or so
      • because on THAT screenshot
      • they're way too many
      • LotR wishes for a *simple* music player
      • oh it is simple believe me
      • aCiD2
        i don't think there are too many
      • I think more is better with tags
      • LotR
        deadchip: with simple I mean without features like you're showing off now :)
      • deadchip
        LotR, even if they "just" work and if you want can ignore them?
      • aCiD2
        LotR: mpd?
      • deadchip
        aCiD2, btw it also automatically PUID-scans files not tagged so the full set of info is also available for them, given they have a PUID association
      • aCiD2
        neato
      • nikki still wants something that plays flacs and understands the concept of an album artist
      • though i seldom use puids
      • nikki kicks osx
      • LotR
        deadchip: yes. they still take up window real estate
      • aCiD2 looks at just about everysingle media player he's used
      • deadchip
        well nikki that player understands album artists