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Vivaldi and Chopin are tied for 17th at 377 each, Schubert’s at 20th (360), Brahms at 21st (339), Wagner at 38th (279), Mahler at 41st (258), Verdi at 44th (235), Dvořák at 56th (213), Shostakovich tied for 57th (with Madonna and John Lee Hooker) (211), Rachmaninoff at 58th (206), and last of them in the top 100, at 91st place, Prokofiev has 151 releases

so 15 of the largest 100 artists

dhampton: in general, such duplication in the database is not encouraged, but adding a duplicate is allowed, and no-one should have a reason to vote no on such an edit.

s/adding a/adding such a/

what # is it?

ummm, let me check - I know it’s in the top 100...

Uriah... 235 releases, tied with Verdi for 44th. Charlie Parker in 45th with 234, Tori Amos in 43rd with 248.

You’d have to add another 105 releases for Uriah to get into the top 20

haha once i add al the singles, NOT a problem!

:D

i havent even started on bootlegs :b

whats on #42 ?

also tied with Verdi = win

42 = Mahler (I miscounted before).

i have question about how best to fix an entry that's not right: http://musicbrainz.org/release/31c3c748-89e5-47...

artist is listed as Ravi Shankar, but actually it's complicated: this is a CD of two shorter LP releases: the first two tracks are Ravi Shankar & Ali Akbar Khan, and the last two are just Ali Akbar Khan

MrQwerty` is now known as MrQwerty

forrest: change the track artist for those two tracks to like AKK :)

nr 13 one of the 54 and 55 is BORK

last one too

yeah, it’s the Russian ones - pastebin doesn’t like cyrillic

marillion?? whos done them?

that’s Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich, Rachmaninoff, and Prokofiev

sould be merged inot no artist and have label info added

at least unknown’s out of the top 10... :)

ja jøss

29..

brianfreud: should the album artist be changed to Ravi Shankar & Ali Akbar Khan? It has both names on the cover and the spine

that’s what you seemed to be describing

mo: while I could maybe agree, I’d think of [nature sounds] as a child SPA of [no artist]... it’s at least allowing those to be separated from [applause] and similar crap

howdy foolip :)

gooday

good night rather :|

Had a question for you...

oh, and vice versa, you first

I don’t know how Chinese works, but I was originally going to add it to the CSG thing I threw together, but when I tried getting the words, I got different characters, so I left it out. I got “為” for “for”, but “6桶” for “for 6 drums” - so Chinese combines characters?

do you mean for as in "sonata for piano" and such?

yep

well, most of the time there wouldn't be a word corresponding to for, it would rather be "piano sonata"

what about “concerto for 2 pianos and violin”?

hmm, let me see on the very few classical releases there actually are

I originally had Chinese as a dropdown option in http://www.brianfreud.byethost13.com/COBottle.html (I figure I can add Norwegian and Swedish and such if you guys want, if you tell me what words and quotes to use)

there are linked from ChineseNotes in the wiki btw

no luck there, maybe wikipedia

oh well :P

what's a very famous work on that form?

I tried to at least include support for non-diatonic scale classical, so it’s kind of supported

that's mozarts work

for example: D大调第十六钢琴协奏曲

hmmm, there was one I stumbled across in Chinese... Red River something or other

yes, that would be a Chinese composition, right?

yes

it's in MB in English, but I don't think there's a Chinese one

let me find it...

there’s one Mozart release in the db, not sure if it’s in Chinese or Japanese, but one track title is: セレナード第13番ト長調K.525（アイネ・クライネ・ナハトムジーク） 第3楽章

that's Japanese

anyhow, just was curious :)

you said you had a Q for me as well?

well, not for you specifically

but here goes

what do we do with music video tracks on CDs?

so called AVCD:s

usually there's first a data track, and then the music videos follow on tracks of their own

Maybe lump them in with the closest analogue - DVDs - and annotate that they’re A-VCDs?

ah yes, but they have actual audio tracks too

let me show you

yeah, I guess since they’re recorded on CDs, that’d be possible....

hmmm, technically, then, the video section would toc as [data track], so be unlisted...

yes, it has "data", but that data is video+audio

as you can see I've put the titles in brackets, but not really with any though going into it

Just looking at that release... I used to mess with VCD/SVCDs a lot. I actually even made a few mixed video+audio VCDs.

now look at this: http://musicbrainz.org/release/6edba6ec-8c61-40...

But how is the video half toc’ing at all of 7 seconds if it’s redbook+VCD standard?

should be closer to 30 minutes...

the 7 seconds is just some files on an iso filesystem, much like a VCD I guess

the actual video is contained on tracks 2, 3 and 4

if you put the CD in a standalone CD player, does it skip the data tracks, or do you get audio garbage on the first few tracks?

haven't tried, but as you see there's a discid, that is the TOC you're seeing there

yeah

Do you remember when they first started putting data on audio CDs - the so called “mixed data+audio” CDs, in the early-mid 80’s?

so I don't think there's anything illegitimate about releases which look like this, question is how to name the video tracks

I remember my first data+audio CD

That looks just like the toc for one of those, where the data tracks were tracked like audio, and you had to skip the data tracks or blow your speakers...

exactly

I remeber that CD, hehe

hmmmm

but anyway, if it were a DVD I wouldn't be putting the track names in brackets, right?

iir the VCD standard, these break the Chinese VCD-standards too then, since the VCD standard includes the redbook (no mixed video+audio same session) rules...

that's not unlikely at all, I bought this in China

they call them AVCD and this is what they look like

I think a Chinese DVD player would be able to play it...

yeah... hmmm. I don’t think we ever made a guideline for those. There were so few mixed CDs made before the redbook added that rule.

Most DVD players can; most just don’t mention it :P

do you think "Song Title (music video)" would be a better title?

I guess you’re ok the way you did it - maybe an annotation note that tracks 1-n are data tracks, just so we know any puids attached there are bork

maybe “约定 [data track]”?

hmm, putting the whole title in brackets is customary for any special form

http://musicbrainz.org/release/6edba6ec-8c61-40... <- this is an incoming edit

well, the song title isn’t anything special - were this a DVD, we’d just list the titles. But the special part is that it’s a data track...

for consistency, either I should change my release or I should tell that editor that I just made up a guideline that I want him to follow (not really)

sounds like something worth hitting the style list on

following the covers of these AVCD:s they usually say "Song Title MV"

yes, perhaps this is an issue for the style list

I seem to recall seeing a few Japanese CD singles that had 4-5 initial data tracks, they all just have “[data track]” in each title, nothing else

so about mozart, D大调第十六钢琴协奏曲 means "Piano concerto No. 16 in D (major)"

if you do a direct search on “[data track]” and look for any track # higher than 1, you ought to find them - I saw them when last I went through looking for bork trailing [data track]s

shouldn’t there be a 16 in there somewhere?

十六 is 16

ah

I don't know what this is in English

yeah, I think asian lang i18n might be too much for that page’s relatively simple script :P

but if it were "concerto for piano" I don't think the Chinese title would change

yes, especially if you're not a language expert yourself

I have one example of Chinese names of classic music actually in the database though

oh?

one that I edited a great deal myself: http://musicbrainz.org/release/eb0d40c1-02d3-48...

track 13, 16, 21, 22

but, if you're dropping Chinese support from your script that may not matter so much any more

now, were say 一閃一閃小星星 (C大調變奏曲 K. 265) or 悠悠的風 (Waltz in A flat, Op. 39 No. 15) to be listed in correct CSG for each composer, would you be totally offended? :)

well, it would remove information

in the first case it says "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star"

?

yes, 一閃一閃小星星

what does C大調變奏曲 mean?

hmm, maybe "variations in C"

you can see that there are annotations on most tracks

yeah

just wondering, because K. 265 is 12 Variations on French Traditional: "Ah, vous dirai-je, Maman" for Piano in C major

I remember some confusion on that

is there a K. 256?