#musicbrainz

very cool.

or rather, its in her queue post 4/15

yeah, i hear you.

we live in interesting times....

yep. the next couple of years will be challenging.

I think I need to change my tune from wanting to hire lots of people to "who the fuck can we survive this mess"?

s/who/how

I think reaching self sufficiency came in the nick of time.

one of my clients that does alot european & asian business, is still using dollars, because euros was too complex/expensive given the number of transactions

but they're at that awkward "mid-growth" stage

hey, don't complain

check out the euro/dollar graph

but I'm not converting any euros into dollars

but I need to go get some euros for tomorrow, and the exchange rate just went splat

ruaok: i'll hook you up with my girl -- she saved my ass in 2000-2002 and again during my Mom's illness -- really good people and very fair. i was by no means her largest client (by a galactic margin) but she delivered me the same level of service

the dollar's been going splat for a while :P

yeah, I know

it's so expensive to import music now

nikki: got link for the pound/euro graph?

wow.

that's the 5 year graph so it's more dramatic :P

the pound is in serious trouble too, if I am reading this right.

but still, when I last converted some money late last year it was still over 1.40 euro per pound

it's still $2 to a pound though

yep. int'l finance is feeling the pain too. that was the point of my rant a few days ago

maybe I should settle all my contracts in EUR now.

several british banks and hedge funds (especially) are in real trouble

yeah, my interest rates have dropped on all my accounts

and I can't get credit to save my life, but I think that's a different issue

i'm watching japan also.

ruaok: I would... right now, the dollar's seeming rather ruble-like

well, I've been avoiding USD contracts.

but what I'm saying is that I should probably avoid GBP contracts too.

All hail the EURo.

nikki: no one here can get credit now... even the most pristine folks

the USD is in a cycle, it should drop for about a year or more and then it will slowly rise

zoke: assuming the entire country doesn't self destruct.

it won't, people worry too much

yllona: well, I've had trouble for months, I think it's because I'm not on the electoral role at the same address as my bank account

ruaok: there's an election in november... nothing will happen until then, and the markets always rise post-election for at least 3-4 months

not if mccain't gets elected.

jesus. under 200 yen to a pound now, I remember when it used to be 180 and then all of a sudden it was around 225 and I was like "carry on! carry on!" because japanese cds are so bloody expensive

i disagree. i have to say this is the best set of candidates (on both sides of the fence) in decades

Impeach GWB NOW!

mccain't == bush 2.0

ruaok: again i disagree mccain is much better than bush. and i'm not a republican

is he the best republican out there -- no.

on the other hand it could be much, much worse

a mike huckabee theocracy?

Sheesh, wouldn't ANY candidate be better than Bush?

petros: very true, my point being that there are far worse republicans than mccain

No doubt. GHe ssems pretty mello compares to some of the others they

reational I mean

yllona: have to agree - Obama v McCain, harder choice for me, but Hilary v McCain, I'd really be tempted to go McCain - no republican I, but I was a big McCain fan last time he was out

rational

luks: ping

pong

hi

did you get any info from SoC about being a mentor?

yes, I got some invitation via mail, so I registered in the SoC webapp

great.

I've also been wondering if we should stick to the next release being non-schema change.

I was hoping to get it out way sooner, but that didn't happen.

schema change == TRM dead

I was thinking about that, too

which means that we ought to have a new Picard UI for track oriented tagging by then.

there are quite a few schema changes pending.

lets keep that question open for now.

but I'm entertaining it.

the SoC proposal might be interesting for this, since it would solve the picard problem

(the one on mb-devel)

ah. I'll read that in a minute.

but if the last year learned me something, then it's to not believe everything in soc applications :)

lol

so I'm not that optimistic about it

well, one of the things that I learned from the summit is that its ok to fail people early.

for instance, no code by mid-term eval == FAIL.

so, you and I need to be much more stringent.

only thing I wonder about the updating concept that's been req'd many times, and is partially beoing discussed there - isn't that rather a heavy load increase on the server, esp if it's so easy that people start doing it frequently?

set the standards to what we expect. if students don't meet them, we nuke em and move ok.

*on

yep

BrianFreud: very much so.

which is one of the reasons I'm not too keen to work on that.

I would much prefer to have RSS feeds.

and have someone else serve those feeds.

and have picard and co read the feeds and look for changes.

those obviating the need to poll for changes.

*thus

that database someone was working on would have seemed ideal for that - have it check a local dump for changes, then auto-update somehow, rather than everyone polling each file without even knowing if there's an update

luks: I'm more optimistic about Alexander because he is coming in with his own ideas about picard.

picard more as the tool to get the mbids in, rather than to continually update

most successful soc projects are suggested by the students.

sure.

chefkoch_ is now known as chefkoch_AW

50%+ of tracks have TRMs associated with them while only ~36% of tracks have PUID's associated with them

How long did MB use TRM ?

3 years ?

too long

2002?

and of those 50%+ tracks, most of those TRMs are now useless. discarded and never to be issued by the TRM server again.

its broke. badly broke.

at least there are some identifiers on the tracks though

but they are useless.

true

I don't understand though how TRMS worked, what is this TRMServer that I keep on reading about >

a poor implementation of acoustic fingerprints.

it was free. :)

and you know how good free software is

you probably won't get a very good open source fingerprinting system though

agreed, thus we use PUIDs.

puids aren't open source, but they are quite an improvement over TRMs

I wish some one had a huge MP3 collection that I could just steal for MB

somebody should steel last.fm's collection :)

*steal

its been tried. they are not allowed to relicense it.

BrianFreud: for CSG is it "Act I, Scene i"

you'd have to ask Russ covertly. :)

Can't they run Picard on their collection though ?

last.fm may another choice for acoustic fingerprinting

*made another

our fingerprinting aint broke. We're not fixing it.

(aside from the broke ass TRM, which we are going to fix)

seriously at the last conference two companies were hounding me to include their fingerprinting in MB.

erm, no thanks!

yllona: Act I, Scene I

what is last.fm's fingerprinting alg anyways ?

voodoo. pure voodoo. like all those algs.

zoke: they wrote their own

hmm, maybe we should use theirs if it is any good

but the idea wasn't soley theirs, IIRC

zoke: you're not listerning are you?

woops, let me scroll ip

we can't just keep switching anyway

BrianFreud: like this - "Act I, Scene I: 'Hi! Give Us A Hand!' (Peter)" or "Act I, Scene I 'Hi! Give Us A Hand!' (Peter)" - remove the colon

BrianFreud: i working thru Benjamin britten's operas atm

cool :)

BrianFreud: so colon or no colon?