#musicbrainz

much more tests now though

did you see testing branch?

yesterday evening, yes

ah ok

well I've tested most controllers now

and I tried turning DEBUG_UNDEF on for templates and... every template dies :P

strictness?

it means templates die if a variable is undef

so yea, like strict

re: greasemonkey -- I've updated that script with my current version

bleh network manager never works

maybe I'll just stick with wpa_supplicant

oh there we go, it's connected now

wow, this project hamster thing is reason enough to switch back to gnome

pronik: what is serverfault?

Hi again, hey Muz, still there?

I am...

for 7 minutes.

And then it's beer o' clock.

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If I want to clone a hard drive to a USB drive... can I just dd it?

Yes.

excellent

dd if=/dev/src of=/dev/dest bs=2048 -- that'll do the job?

You could probably stil the bs up a bit, but yeah, that should work.

<Munger> Anyone know how CBS & Columbia are related? <-- "CBS" == "Columbia Broadcasting System"; they started as different branches from the same parent company

<warp> oh wow. so Columbia is the oldest label? <-- sorta. It's the oldest that's viable, but not the oldest still existant. (See North American Phonograph Company for that one.)

warp: serverfault is stackoverflow for sysadmins

"The serverfault.com private beta should begin towards the end of the month, and any Stack Overflow user with reputation over 200 is invited."

pronik: oh, cool. i'm trying to get away from sysadminning, but it sounds like something that could be useful.

yes, especially weird apache configs and the like

oh, haven't had much trouble with apache really.

that's a first >.>

at least it would be for me :)

interesting, the BBC iPlayer is backed by Catalyst

DBIx::Class too

I'm off in 5, back on mon, if anyone has anything they need from me real quick before I head out :)

brianfreud_: have a nice time!

I can't imaging this is a unique question but here goes. Has MusicBrainz looked at supporting Album Art? Amazon and IMDB have teamed up to create www.soundunwound.com. Let's people add info pretty easily. Pretty neat but I'd personally feel better giving my efforts to MusicBrainz.

Does SoundUnwound support custom uploading of album art?

navap: Yes

_MMA_: The big problem with artwork is mostly legal

And that's why MusicBrainz has essentially no artwork (other than a few cases where we have explicit permission)

aCiD2: Sure, but I figured with this new site, there's some fair-use catch.

I know Wikimedia only wants under 500px images.

IMDb also supports custom uploading doesn't it? They're a for-profit site I think.

aCiD2: When uploading art to www.soundunwound.com it explicitly says *you* (the submitter) must own the CD.

see, I think we should be able to safe-harbour MB under such a rule, but the board keep shutting me down.

Images from the web aren't allowed.

ding. :-(

Anyone with a Amazon account can use www.soundunwound.com now. See how it works.

I uploaded my 1000px covers. I'm pretty sure they will be resized under 600px as that's what I've been told on another forum.

_MMA_: fyi: soundunwound is partnered with us. they use our data. :)

How is their editing system? Someone, (pronik?), implied it was better than ours.

navap: the UI is.

But the backend isn't?

UI is pretty actually.

the social structure won't scale as well, since they need to have amazon staff approve your changes.

*pretty easy

ruaok: Something I also saw and emailed them about.

_MMA_: they know.

hm, Well I'm sure they will add to the number of people who can approve as theie community gets bigger.

but there seems to be a cultural barrier somewhere in amazon.

ruaok: That's what worries me and why I came here.

thanks _MMA_. well, your work here will show up there after a while.

This page was created, noticed, and proposed for deletion in a matter of hours :) http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/?title=Falsehood_Wr...

ruaok: there were thinking about "giving back", right?

wonder if that works properly

pronik: yes. but they need to "finish" (read: get out of beta) before they want to start thinking about that.

ruaok: I'm retiring from other projects I work on so I am looking at MusicBrainz. I'd love to put my collection of music to wider use.

:-)

There's also www.AlbumArtExchange.com but I think these guys /might/ get in trouble. They do mandate 600px covers (unless you need help editing then you post large version) and link to buy the albums to Amazon, so, maybe they worked something out.

the *might* is the problem. :-(

our board shys away from any such shenanigans.

It's great because the community there really cares about quality but I think the efforts might be wasted if there's still legal issues surrounding this and the site one day goes down.

Search server runing slow?

bah, where's brian when I want him

_MMA_ Better keep copyrighted stuff away from MB. If art were legally hosted elsewhere with legitimate links that tied into MBs release IDs, then there is no reason why you could not have a greasemonkey script that displayed the art on the relevant pages on MB

Munger: search appears nominal.

Maybe I've been throttled. I just dropped 3000 tagged albums onto Picard because I changed my file naming template

Munger: Sure. I'm not doing anything with it now. Ideally, I'd like the legal issue to be worked out so it could be added to MB. /Seems/ like like under 500px or so (mine for *most* folks) is falling under fair-use. Wikimedia uses 500px covers. So, who knows.

Munger: lol..

Maybe because the front cover does not have a copyright notice on it :-)

s/mine/fine

Munger: if they're already tagged, the search server wouldn't be involved anyway

But I don't think the WS would like 3000 hits at once.

nikki, Well, whatever server is returning the up-to-date release info

hmm... 3000 seconds is 50 minutes

you've got a bit of a wait I guess :P

heh

If I quit Picard and drop a single album on, it just sits there 'loading album information'

navap: you'd get the 503 finger from the server. :)

:p

Munger: thats not search server. thats main DB server.

ok, off to the office with me. bbiab.

omigosh

pesto rice = incredibly tasty

_MMA_, My point is that I don't think MB wants to risk getting involved in an argument about fair use. If the art is stored elsewhere and not linked to by MB, then there is no legal issue. Still possible for you to distribute a script to display it as if MB were hosting it

_MMA_: with considered fair use too

it's just such a sketchy area

Oh sure. I guess it comes down to how much the community wanted the feature. Enough to consider it fair-use and fight for it? Maybe not.

yeah, who would want to assist making available copyrighted content? FFS...

_MMA_: it's not about how much the community wants something, they're not the people implementing it :P

nikki: The people here aren't the community? The people doing implementation aren't part of that community?

Seems a little sad to make that disconnect.

Who gets time to be part of a community? That involves having a life :p

maybe I didn't word it right

Munger: Sadly, a +1 there.

So, does the DB server excercise a quota for each IP address?

it's one request per second

I'm not getting any response from it now

In the end, I'm sure there's a legal way to provide art at an acceptable resolution without getting sued. Others are doing it. Hopefully one day MB can support that. In the meantime, I got reading to do. See how I might be able to help here. Later folks.

What's it's IP? I'll try a tracreoute

pronik: wow, you were a fairly early stackoverflow user.

oh, i am too. didn't realize :)

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Just rebooted. Still can't reach DB server