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ruaok
pronik: agreed.
21:28 PM
pronik
the offtopic or the rofl'ing part? ;)
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Wizzcat
you were literally rolling on the floor? :(
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pronik
I would have if I hadn't my chair to hold myself onto :)
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coeus
i have picard running on fedora 10 and the puid scanning doesn't seem to be working
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Wizzcat
coeus: works here from what I can tell
21:51 PM
libofa up to date?
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warp
nice link, aCiD2
21:53 PM
coeus
Wizzcat, missing entirely. might be the issue i suppose
21:53 PM
just found a thread on that in the MB forums
21:53 PM
aCiD2
warp: yea, I like it :)
21:54 PM
Wizzcat
coeus: actually I can't seem to get it to work either on closer inspection
21:54 PM
coeus
Wizzcat, I just ran picard from the cmd line and got this "W: 3086796480 13:53:12 No decoders found! Fingerprinting will be disabled."
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couldn't find libofa on my system either
21:55 PM
odd that the fedora build wouldn't have this stuff as a dependency
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Wizzcat
indeed, rather sloppy
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it uses ffmpeg it seems, which I already have, so no idea why it doesn't work
21:59 PM
I guess one may as well build it oneself instead
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coeus
i just installed ffmpeg, but no help either. doing it from scratch might be the only way to go
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Wizzcat
oh well, yum remove
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not that fingerprinting is particularly important
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pronik
brianfreud: when you come back, be prepared that I'm redoing doclinks, they seriously impact translations
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luckman212
heylo........ can anyone please tell me the meaning of the "Use track relationships" option in Picard?
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Wizzcat
22:25 PM
unless you have a player that shows those tags in some manner it's probably not too useful
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luckman212
hmm so it doesn't affect the grouping or renaming operations?
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Wizzcat
shouldn't think so
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unless you explicitly tell it to use those tags
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luckman212
hmm..
22:39 PM
ok, not sure I understand but --safe to ignore, I will leave it alone (defaulted to off in my .011 install)
22:41 PM
thanks
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nikki
ooh
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alastairp
is this the sort ogf thing that has sa floating "give us feedback" button?
22:58 PM
navap
No, it would be a separate site
22:59 PM
alastairp
so, people would still not know where to go to report issues?
22:59 PM
navap
22:59 PM
alastairp
how is this different to bugz.musicbrainz.org?
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bugs
23:00 PM
ruaok
read the blog post alastairp
23:00 PM
navap
No clunky interface, and better response from the commukity to tell devlopers what they want fixed
23:00 PM
ruaok
trac is hardly clunky.
23:00 PM
navap
Ok, bad phrasing
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nikki
so people who know what they're doing could still go to trac and enter stuff there, while everyone else can go to uservoice and vote and stuff?
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Muz
Oh god ruaok
23:01 PM
Not Uservoice.
23:01 PM
navap
Easier interface?
23:01 PM
Muz
Not. Uservoice.
23:01 PM
We use that at work, and from an admin POv, it's really lacking.
23:01 PM
ruaok
like how?
23:01 PM
Muz
That said, GS' UI is hardly any better.
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Well, not that I've spent hours discussing this with a workmate and begun work on our own solution, but as disjointed as it is from the dev side of Trac, it's like one extreme to the other.
23:02 PM
there's no real easy way to address UV items from other systems, and the level of interaction is incredibly simplistic for what it could really achieve.
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ruaok
ah, so the mapping I'm talking about is hard to maintain?
23:03 PM
Muz
There was also something silly like comments appear in reverse chronological order ad you can onyl have one official response per item from an admin.
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It's doable, I'll say that.
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It's just not friendly. Or as nice as it could be.
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ruaok
sounds like uservoice needs an account for themselves.
23:04 PM
Muz
Heh, they do. :p
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navap
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ruaok
lol
23:04 PM
its good to see they eat their own dogfood
23:05 PM
Muz
Not to mention, their scoring system is incredibly easy to game.
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So, always take those values with a pinch of salt.
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ruaok
k, thanks for the feedback.
23:06 PM
Muz
GS falls victim to the same flaws too, just that the UI isn't anywhere near as nice.
23:07 PM
That said, I wouldn't mind helping triage things in UV if you do go with them in the end. Or at least being pokable about its weirdities.
23:07 PM
ruaok
thanks. post that in comments please so i can track who said what.
23:08 PM
Muz shall do once he's done with Geometry Wars 2
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Muz
.
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pronik
ruaok: if you need admin help, I could do that, even if I don't know a tiny bit about UserVoice except that Jeff Atwood is using and liking it :)
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ruaok
you know Jeff?
23:14 PM
can you please comment on the blog that you'd help?
23:14 PM
I've had a few interesting discussions with Jeff at OSCON...
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pronik
I've never met any of net personalities in person yet
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I'm reading his blog for a while now and find stackoverflow rather useful than not :)
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I still think he's jumped the shark a long time ago, but still consider him mostly capable :)
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ruaok
loi
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I found myself not agreeing with him a lot too.
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aCiD2
ooo, phresh activity!
23:19 PM
aCiD2 goes to read, late as ever
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pronik
especially the "you are doing it wrong" part ;)
23:19 PM
ruaok: does uservoice have any i18n support?
23:20 PM
ruaok
no clue.
23:20 PM
pronik
would be rather important...
23:20 PM
ruaok
pmesg my your email and I'll set you up as an admin
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aCiD2
I'd be happy helping with uservoice as well
23:20 PM
pronik
it's in the blog...
23:20 PM
ruaok
never mind got it.
23:20 PM
yep
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pronik
lol, "Support multiple languages" is on top of their wishlist...
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ruaok
pronik: do you live in .de?
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pronik
with 1200 votes vs. 470 votes for a "close second"
23:21 PM
ruaok: yes
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ruaok
ah, but you are from .ru?
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RifRaf
23:21 PM
ruaok wundert sich wo pronik wohnt
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aCiD2
show off
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pronik
ruaok: wir haben uns schon mal auf Deutsch unterhalten ;)
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ruaok
lol
23:22 PM
ach ja. :)
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RifRaf
the middle part won't work because i think the first part is eating up the variables when its done
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ruaok
too many people to keep track of. sorry. :-(
23:22 PM
pronik
ruaok: well, yes, russian roots, living in germany for the last 11 years or so
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ruaok
cool. I appreciate your i18n efforts, for sure.
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Muz
ruaok: you can add your own CSS to UV pages iirc.
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ruaok
nikki: usual email addy?
23:24 PM
Muz
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ruaok signs up navap to do the CSS bits
23:24 PM
ruaok
cute.
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got link on details?
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Muz
It's all in the admin panel
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ruaok
k
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nikki
should be, I just changed it
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pronik`
ruaok: have you added me too?
23:29 PM
ruaok
yep.
23:29 PM
aCiD2
mmmm, orange
23:29 PM
ruaok
any and all admins: please go to town setting things up
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23:30 PM
I'm not that fond of the red tab.
23:30 PM
Muz
I'd make it a light grey?
23:30 PM
pronik`
e
23:30 PM
Muz
And position it a bit higher up.
23:30 PM
pronik`
and maybe top right corner hanging from the top bar
23:30 PM
ruaok
upper right hand corner
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:-)
23:31 PM
Muz likes it when everyone's on the same page.
23:31 PM
aCiD2
a delicious rarity