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      • yvesr
        last time we chatted with luks, he told me the works table should be more of a "things" table
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      • yvesr
        and could be used to store performances etc.
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      • yvesr
        although this page dismisses it
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      • yvesr
        what is the latest status on that? is there no place in the ngs where we could put performance information?
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        What happened to test:82?
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      • pronik is home at least
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      • ruaok
        wb :-)
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      • pronik has spent the last four hours trying to setup review board at work
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      • pronik hates active directory auth, but the result is worth it :)
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      • warp
        hm, that part didn't take me that long.
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      • warp
        but it's completely unusable on my machine at work, all that js is slow or buggy in the browsers I tried.
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      • pronik
        I'm in a real big company atm, so I had to find a bug in review board to get it running
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      • pronik
        user groups with spaces in their OU suck too :)
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      • ruaok
        OU?
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      • pronik
        organization unit, if I'm not mistaken
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      • warp nods.
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      • pronik
        part of LDAP/AD configuration and addressing system
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      • ruaok
        ah
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      • pronik
        essentially a path, but on crack :)
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      • warp tries to know as little about all that as possible.
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      • pronik too
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      • pronik
        but as it turns out, the more I know, the easier I can tweak that stuff
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      • pronik
        and abuse too :)
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      • warp
        obviously
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      • warp
        but I don't want to tweak that stuff.
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      • warp
        it's been almost a year since I had 'sysadmin' scrapped from my contract
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      • pronik
        me neither, but when I sometimes see who gets to tweak it, I'd better do that myself
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      • pronik
        next week for me: setting up nightly tests
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      • pronik
        with a brutal perlcritic :)
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      • warp
        :D
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      • warp
        I comitted the first unittests ever to the application I spend most of my time on.
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      • pronik
        normally, I would have to endure some bureaucratic process to get rb installed somewhere
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      • pronik
        with a possibility that it'd never happen
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      • warp
        (application is atleast 15 years old, the php codebase I'm hacking on probably around 8 years or more... it's a mess)
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      • pronik
        tell me about it :)
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      • pronik
        had to change some user-visible copyrights in code today
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      • pronik
        s/2003/2009/
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      • pronik
        and then I looked into templates
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      • pronik
        and did a s/font/span/ :)
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      • pronik
        but that code is more like 1999
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      • warp
        lal
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      • warp
        s/a/o/
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      • warp
        anyway, it's weekend. so mucking with python now.
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      • warp looks at openid
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      • pronik
        yeah, better fix some bugs in reviewboard or in picard ;)
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      • ruaok
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      • ruaok
        I thought amarok had given up on MB and decided to use something better?
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      • warp
        :D
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      • outsidecontext
        lol
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      • outsidecontext
        beside telling everybody they would use something better they never came up with anything
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      • pronik
        I would not use "better" and "amarok" in one sentence ;)
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      • outsidecontext
        the amarok developer i talked to at the gsoc summit last year did not even really know what musicbrainz was
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      • ruaok
        lol
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      • ruaok
        amarok seems a little disorganized.
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      • pronik
        look at the gui, of course it's disorganized!
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      • ruaok tries to avoid looking at amarok
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      • pronik still hasn't found his ideal player
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      • ruaok
        me neither.
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      • ruaok
        I'm using Play right now, but its far from perfect.
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      • pronik
        amarok2 sucks badly, quodlibet is slow, rhythmbox deprecated, banshee crashes on me, exaile is slow AND crashes
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      • pronik
        muine and other I won't even touch
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      • ruaok
        :-(
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      • LotR
        'ideal player' is like 'good mail client', isn't it?
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      • warp
        mpd is too basic, but it's reliable and convenient for me.
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      • ruaok
        I thought it was funny that in 1999 I thought it to be stupid to be writing a new mp3 player.
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      • warp
        LotR: or browser. or OS. this industry just sucks in general ;)
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      • ruaok
        and now, 10 years later it sounds like a good idea. :)
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      • pronik
        perfect browser now exists: uzbl.org
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      • ruaok
        cept that like a mail client... its really hard. :-(
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      • ruaok nods at LotR
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      • warp
        I really don't understand what's hard about mail :)
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      • pronik
        gmail is nice
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      • LotR
        warp: go read the RFCs
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      • pronik
        I like how the reduce the primitives
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      • warp
        LotR: we're not talking about MTA's, but MUA's
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      • pronik
        LotR: we are talking about MUA I guess
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      • pronik
        warp: ding!
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      • warp
        LotR: only needs to speak IMAP imo.
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      • LotR
        warp: then, go figure out how all other clients are incompatible with the RFCs and how you have to work around that
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      • LotR
        you still need to understand the format of a message
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      • LotR
        also, yay unicode
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      • warp
        LotR: sure, but parsing mail is Solved, there are excellent libraries for that sort of ithn.g
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      • LotR
        and 'only IMAP' is funny too.. good luck getting it to work nicely against every imap server
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      • warp
        well, _I_ don't need every :)
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      • LotR
        because you're not writing a client.
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      • srotta
        And of course, there's this thing called UI.
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      • srotta
        Which is pretty much impossible to get right.
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      • srotta
        Particularly in open source.
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      • LotR
        if only existing clients had better ui/logic seperation. then I could at least make the UI right *for me*
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      • srotta
        LotR: Doesn't Thunderbird use XUL and it's therefore Perfect?
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      • warp
        pronik: uzbl looks like way too much work :)
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      • warp
        srotta: oh, I want my mail client textmode, it doesn't need all that much UI.
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      • srotta
        warp: Well, Pine does IMAP, it uses text mode => mission accomplished.
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      • warp
        it's probably just as good as mutt
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      • warp
        (which is pretty bad :)
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      • LotR
        srotta: uh, right.
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      • brianfreud
        luks: serious props... this multiple artists implementation is really nice.
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      • brianfreud
        There's one missing view, but I think that's just a question of our writing the right templates -> Being able to narrow down to only see those releases Foo & Bar both are on
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      • luks
        that's easy to add, but I'm not sure if it's that useful
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      • brianfreud
        well, take an artist who worked with a lot of people - Bob Marley, or Neil Young
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      • brianfreud
        for those, you may have a good many releases with the same collab
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      • luks
        arguably those should have their own artist entries
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      • brianfreud
        arguably, but I think, in most cases, I'd come down on those still being only collabs, not group artists in their own right
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      • brianfreud
        I think the dividing line would be when the collab gives themselves a name
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      • pronik
        damn postgres 8.4
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      • ruaok
        whats wrong with it?