is there no accoustic fingerprinting/analysis process that is fully open sourced? From reading the wiki I have gathered that generating PUIDs is completely closed source process?
2006-05-04 12421, 2006
mudcrow
MusicDNS do all the PUID generating. thats closed source
2006-05-04 12412, 2006
malverian
mudcrow, There is no open source alternative for such a need?
I just hate to think it's bound to some closed source server staying "free"
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
GURT
thanks mud
2006-05-04 12430, 2006
mudcrow
no prob. gurt
2006-05-04 12454, 2006
flamingcow
there's a whole bunch of gpl source in this musicdns lib
2006-05-04 12403, 2006
flamingcow
i'm trying to figure out where it talks to something proprietary
2006-05-04 12419, 2006
malverian
flamingcow, Well the closed source portion is apparently the part where it talks to the server and says "generate a PUID from this music signature"
2006-05-04 12430, 2006
flamingcow
ah, ok
2006-05-04 12436, 2006
flamingcow
same degree of lame
2006-05-04 12439, 2006
malverian
Yeah.
2006-05-04 12405, 2006
malverian
It seems like an unacceptable sacrifice..
2006-05-04 12414, 2006
ojnkpjg
so write something better
2006-05-04 12417, 2006
malverian
When FDMF could be improved instead.
2006-05-04 12438, 2006
malverian
flamingcow, Did you mess around at all with the fuzziness options in FDMF?
2006-05-04 12447, 2006
flamingcow
i honestly don't remember
2006-05-04 12451, 2006
flamingcow
i really should've written it up
2006-05-04 12456, 2006
flamingcow
if you'd like to prep a test plan
2006-05-04 12405, 2006
flamingcow
i have an enormous music corpus to run it over
2006-05-04 12457, 2006
ojnkpjg
i don't understand the willingness to use inferior software simply because it's free
2006-05-04 12414, 2006
flamingcow
because you can improve it
2006-05-04 12414, 2006
ojnkpjg
what's the problem with something that's closed source, or partly closed source, if it's the best thing going
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, Because at any moment musicdns could close their servers to us and we would be left with nothing.
2006-05-04 12417, 2006
flamingcow
instead of getting stuck with trm
2006-05-04 12420, 2006
ojnkpjg
no, they couldn't
2006-05-04 12424, 2006
ojnkpjg
you didn't read the agreement
2006-05-04 12427, 2006
flamingcow
and having to throw out everything and having to start over
2006-05-04 12457, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, There are many reasons. If you really want to know what they are, read up on the many pages that explain the benefits of open source.
2006-05-04 12402, 2006
ojnkpjg
i understand open source
2006-05-04 12404, 2006
ojnkpjg
i work for red hat
2006-05-04 12413, 2006
flamingcow
so, you don't understand open source
2006-05-04 12417, 2006
flamingcow
you work for redhat :-P
2006-05-04 12421, 2006
malverian chuckles.
2006-05-04 12423, 2006
ojnkpjg
i'm not an ideological nut
2006-05-04 12435, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, So what stops MusicDNS from going out of business and their servers going offline?
2006-05-04 12450, 2006
ojnkpjg
if the best tool for the job isn't open source, either write something bettter, or quit whining
2006-05-04 12458, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, I think you're not being considerate of the potential for disaster in putting all your eggs in one basket.
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, I think we're being perfectly constructive by discussing other alternatives.
2006-05-04 12425, 2006
ojnkpjg
the general sentiment that everything that's not open source is evil is idiotic
2006-05-04 12447, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, I didn't say it was evil. I said it is an unacceptable risk.
2006-05-04 12418, 2006
ojnkpjg
did you even read the agreement mb and musicip have?
2006-05-04 12440, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, Do you understand that MusicIP could go out of business?
2006-05-04 12453, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, You have refused to acknowledge that concern.
2006-05-04 12405, 2006
malverian
Little paper agreements do not magically save a company from bankrupcy.
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
malverian
If the server costs become too much, etc.
2006-05-04 12455, 2006
malverian
flamingcow, Anyway. There is a good wiki article that I linked earlier where the author seemed to have good results with FDMF
2006-05-04 12419, 2006
flamingcow
right
2006-05-04 12427, 2006
malverian
flamingcow, I'm considering emailing the author of the program and asking him what he thinks of his algorythm working with MB.
2006-05-04 12427, 2006
flamingcow
and i'm trying to figure out why mine so blatantly disagree
2006-05-04 12435, 2006
flamingcow
i was working with 20k lossless files
2006-05-04 12441, 2006
flamingcow
and had thousands of false "matches"
2006-05-04 12458, 2006
malverian
flamingcow, Hmm.. Perhaps something to do with the fuzziness that is used by default. Were you using an older version perhaps?
2006-05-04 12410, 2006
flamingcow
this was more than 6 months ago, so almost certainly :)
2006-05-04 12431, 2006
malverian
flamingcow, I will try some of my own tests. I have about 12,000 lossy files that I could test on..
2006-05-04 12438, 2006
malverian
Probably 200-300 duplicates.
2006-05-04 12457, 2006
flamingcow
i'll rerun with the current version
2006-05-04 12418, 2006
ojnkpjg
* Other projects that wish to integrate fingerprinting services into their applications will need to sign up with the MusicDNS service. This service is free for non-profit projects (musicdns.org) and price-tiered for commercial projects such that even small startups have access. For more details, please visit MusicDNS.org.
2006-05-04 12421, 2006
ojnkpjg
* $10,000 held in escrow for MusicBrainz, plus contractual commitment to supply hardware resources should MusicIP exit the fingerprinting business. This is designed to allow us to continue the service should they decide to stop providing the service.
2006-05-04 12425, 2006
ojnkpjg
* a 10% cut on all income earned from fingerprinting queries where MusicBrainz metadata is provided via the MusicDNS service.
2006-05-04 12428, 2006
ojnkpjg
* 800K acoustic fingerprint ids (PUIDs) that which are already loaded into our DB.
2006-05-04 12429, 2006
GURT
hmm.. i click on edit all for an album, paste a list of track times into the parser, parse the times, click continue, and then it say there were no changes made
2006-05-04 12457, 2006
mudcrow
check the times are in the correct format 1:30 and not 1.30 or 1,30
2006-05-04 12401, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, Interesting.
2006-05-04 12406, 2006
GURT
yes they are mudcrow
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
GURT
is it because the album has a discID?
2006-05-04 12433, 2006
mudcrow
ah yeas, you cant enter times if it has a DiscID
2006-05-04 12434, 2006
flamingcow
is there a contractual guarantee that the access for nonprofits will always be free?
2006-05-04 12447, 2006
GURT
ah.. the warning/error message dosen't say that
2006-05-04 12452, 2006
GURT
"Adding, removing and renumbering of tracks disabled because of valid Disc ID(s)"
2006-05-04 12411, 2006
mudcrow
(and track times)
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
malverian
ojnkpjg, Does the agreement say that they will hand over the proprietary PUID generation stuff as well?
2006-05-04 12433, 2006
ojnkpjg
i don't know, you'd have to ask ruaok
2006-05-04 12437, 2006
ojnkpjg
or research it
2006-05-04 12446, 2006
ojnkpjg
that was what he posted initially
2006-05-04 12452, 2006
mudcrow
but the track times should be correct if the release has the correct disc id. give or take a few seconds
2006-05-04 12455, 2006
GURT
hmm
2006-05-04 12419, 2006
GURT
when i edit it one at a time the time box is disabled but still white.
2006-05-04 12432, 2006
GURT
so theres no way to apply times to an album with a discID?
2006-05-04 12404, 2006
ojnkpjg
move the discid :)
2006-05-04 12410, 2006
ojnkpjg
change times, then move it back
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
flamingcow
ojnkpjg: which redhat office are you out of?
2006-05-04 12426, 2006
GURT
ehh.. i'd have to wait for votes
2006-05-04 12428, 2006
ojnkpjg
westford
2006-05-04 12446, 2006
flamingcow
interesting; i know a bunch of people there, who have no idea who you are :)
2006-05-04 12450, 2006
GURT
times can't be generated from discID?
2006-05-04 12453, 2006
mudcrow
does it have just one disc id gurt? and how big are the time differences?
2006-05-04 12459, 2006
GURT
yeah one..
2006-05-04 12402, 2006
ojnkpjg
that's because nobody would know me as ojnkpjg
2006-05-04 12403, 2006
GURT
i dont know the differences
2006-05-04 12407, 2006
GURT
gotta go LSOT is on
2006-05-04 12409, 2006
GURT
LOST even
2006-05-04 12410, 2006
ojnkpjg
who do you know there
2006-05-04 12432, 2006
flamingcow
caillon, pookstar, ajax, and the formers n and clee
2006-05-04 12442, 2006
ojnkpjg
real names?
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
flamingcow
chris aillon, maureen duffy, adam jackson, dan reed and chris lee
2006-05-04 12427, 2006
ojnkpjg
i don't know them
2006-05-04 12433, 2006
ojnkpjg
which groups are they in
2006-05-04 12440, 2006
ojnkpjg
i've only been there a little more than a month
2006-05-04 12412, 2006
flamingcow
i think chris and maureen are desktop
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
flamingcow
adam's "the X guy"
2006-05-04 12403, 2006
flamingcow
you're cluster & storage?
2006-05-04 12407, 2006
ojnkpjg
yep
2006-05-04 12424, 2006
flamingcow
heh, and "the pork guy" ? :)
2006-05-04 12428, 2006
ojnkpjg
yes
2006-05-04 12432, 2006
flamingcow
cool
2006-05-04 12413, 2006
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wolfmunch
wolfmunch is now known as wolfsong13
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pjo
Hello
2006-05-04 12405, 2006
wolfsong13
hi
2006-05-04 12408, 2006
pjo
Is Nyght there ?
2006-05-04 12416, 2006
pjo
hi
2006-05-04 12423, 2006
Nyght
I am pjo, how are you!
2006-05-04 12430, 2006
pjo
I tried MoodLogic
2006-05-04 12449, 2006
pjo
My WIndows went totally crashed and now reinstalling
2006-05-04 12452, 2006
Nyght
wolfsong13: I haven't seen you in irc lately. I wanted to say thank you fro the support with the automoderator electtion!
2006-05-04 12403, 2006
Nyght
Oh, I'm so sorry!
2006-05-04 12421, 2006
Nyght
I have never tried moodlogic because MusicIP has done everything I need.
2006-05-04 12426, 2006
wolfsong13
:-) you deserver it
2006-05-04 12441, 2006
pjo
I tried MoodLogic for Jazz.mp3
2006-05-04 12453, 2006
wolfsong13 hasn't ever had a MoodLogic crash
2006-05-04 12454, 2006
Nyght
I can understand your try.
2006-05-04 12400, 2006
pjo
It returned some trumpetter, I remember Clifford
2006-05-04 12424, 2006
pjo
nyght do you think that is #I remember Clifford" ?
2006-05-04 12445, 2006
Nyght
I asked Yllona to try and id the jazz snipet. She said she thought it was very similar to Sanborn as well, and she also will be giving it to one or another to see their thoughts as well.
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Nyght
I will look that up and see what I can find. Have you searched amazon to see if there's sound clips there to hear if they're similar
