#musicbrainz

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      • Shepard
        how i love those splits
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      • GURT
        reminds me of EFnet
      • chocomo rollt sich faul ins bett
      • english?
      • chocomo
        dt kan du bare glemme ^^
      • nikki_
        he rolls lazily into bed, or whatever.
      • chocomo ruller surt til sengs
      • Shepard
        sov godt, mo
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      • ruaok
        waga!
      • any windows users present?
      • Shepard
        <<
      • mustaqila
        Yes
      • ruaok
        yllona would like a recommendation on which irc client to use on winderz
      • mustaqila
        mIRC
      • ruaok
        and Shepard says?
      • Shepard
        i think there's not much else
      • nikki_ always used xchat in windows
      • mustaqila
        Chatzilla if she has firefox too
      • ruaok relays the recommendations
      • Shepard
        note that mirc is no longer freeware though
      • nikki_
        (http://www.silverex.org/ for xchat2 for windows, btw)
      • mustaqila
        MBChatLogger: off
      • MBChatLogger
        is not logging
      • is logging
      • g0llum
        gnarf
      • g0llum slaps mustaqila
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      • yalaforge
        MBChatLogger: on
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        is already logging
      • g0llum
        hi yalaforge, just started it :)
      • chocomo
        lol
      • hi g0 and yala!
      • yalaforge
        :-)
      • g0llum
        moin mo
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      • mustaqila
        g0llum?
      • chocomo
        you left the chatlogger off
      • tsk
      • mustaqila
        I could have sworn I was cursing away at the bot because it didn't turn off
      • chocomo
        bleh dergraph voting no
      • Scytale
        Concerning the "what IRC client to use on Windows": Why doesn't anyone know about HydraIRC? http://www.hydrairc.com/
      • It's free, open source, doesn't cost anything and you don't have to pay for it.
      • g0llum
        anyone knows an editor (free) for win32 as good as textpad?
      • chocomo giggles as he mutters 'notepad' under his breath
      • Scytale 's first thought was "port kate"...
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      • luks
        hi all
      • g0llum: jedit
      • g0llum
        thanks... do you use jedit?
      • luks
        yes
      • g0llum
        i found another one which looks good, too. notepad++
      • luks
        thare are only two editors i can use: jedit and emacs :)
      • emacs' python mode is awesome
      • Scytale
        Grr. Where are those USB A -> USB B cables when you need them.
      • And please don't say "all attached to some hard disk and stuff", I know that already.
      • juhae
        g0llum: Crimson Editor is pretty neat imho
      • g0llum
        yep, i know that one. it feel a bit uncomfortable using it, though
      • luks
        does anyone know what's the curreny policy on moving classical VA album to performer?
      • g0llum
        clutcher talked about waiting some time and seeing if there were problems with non-classical albums
      • since then, i heard nothing...
      • g0llum has to admit he moved some albums to andres segovia, though
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      • g0llum
        luks: yep, that is kinda weird.
      • luks
        funny thing is what ruaok voted yes on all of them :)
      • bleh
      • s/what/that/
      • chocomo
        ja, what?
      • luks ponders about renaming Yo-Yo Ma to 馬友友 >:)
      • haha
      • chocomo would vote for it
      • g0llum
        luks, and chocomo: have you read ruaok's statement? think about making the most people happy, not satisfy needs for cruel conversions to unreadable scripts :-)
      • g0llum knows his statement about "unreadable" is uncorrect, but nevertheless
      • chocomo
        well i'm not liek te SC5DR crowd.. I can *wait*
      • so ok
      • g0llum
        i've been thinking about the discussion we had yesterday...
      • chocomo
        I forgot
      • :)
      • g0llum
        what if MB stored all artists in the english form (after all, MB is currrently english-international, the whole mb_server is not multilingual for example and requires english knowledge), and we facilitate tagging against the alias' in the other scripts, not the other way around. this would make much more sense given the current restrictions...
      • chocomo
        hmm :/
      • but what is english?
      • luks
        MB would lost a lot of moderators
      • chocomo
        does that means that norwegian artists has to be stored with out æøå?
      • g0llum
        why, you can tag against it, np..
      • chocomo
        I couldn't agree to that
      • Sissel kirkeboe?
      • g0llum
        if i convert an album to VA, i have to click on all the non-english scripts and see if i have selected the correct one (ok, once you did it a few time, you regonize the artist name)
      • chocomo
        do you mena that g0llum?
      • g0llum
        there are a lot of such unconvenient things in mb_server with the current policy
      • chocomo
        that can be easily rectifyed by haveign the sortname in the search show
      • i'd agree with this if it had been the policy all along
      • g0llum
        we can even create a similar option on mb_server where it would display the artist' in their native script (if we labelled one of the alias as such, or added a field to the artist which defines what his default script would be to display)
      • chocomo
        but since we've been figting the uphill battle for as long as we have.. I can't
      • g0llum
        it has been. it has been changed only recently (for cyrillic)
      • chocomo
        we can make the dagger default to tagging with english
      • I have no problem with that
      • g0llum
        i don't care that much for asian. their it makes more sense, and the usage is distinct (in most cases, kill bill soundtrack is an exception)
      • same thing for the website, then it's consistent.
      • luks
        i still don't understand why kanji is ok and cyrillic is not
      • g0llum
        you wouldnt notice a thing, it would display thingies like you selected them in the prefs
      • chocomo
        but listen. if you mkae the default script whatever and make it liquid wich is sown. then that is what its talkign about
      • luks: especilly since I can "read" cyrilic better than kanji ^^
      • g0llum
        luks: because. what have i written above? you don't have many international albums which feature asian artists
      • chocomo
        yo-yo-ma
      • luks
        g0llum: all anime soundtrack composers
      • g0llum
        we could fine-tune which representation is chosen with the album language.
      • chocomo
        all nintendo type soundtracks
      • but that is in schema 2
      • do yes
      • *so yes
      • g0llum
        remember what i proposed a while ago: to use different artist entities for the different languages. i understand this is not what the 3rd party licencees wanted. but now we still display unreadable artist names on track listings for most of the editors.
      • chocomo
        how about this
      • g0llum
        even worse, if we start to display AR's on the track listings, where one asian artist features on a track. everything else is english, but the artist name.
      • chocomo
        the artist name is the correct one for the artist comes from (eg cyrilic, kanji etc) but the site defaults to showign english/latin1 ??
      • g0llum
        then we start using AR's for the (feat. ) clauses, and then you'll have other options again, and and and...
      • chocomo
        read what I said
      • that's what I want
      • g0llum
        yes. in the end, people want to chose which representation they'd like to show the website, as well as what is used in tagging.
      • chocomo
        yes
      • g0llum
        and everybody is happy
      • chocomo
        yes
      • I son'tr understand what you're arguing?
      • :)
      • g0llum
        what the default representation on the website is, and what most users expect it to be.
      • chocomo
        read what I said will you
      • g0llum
        chocomo: read yesterdays chatlog
      • chocomo
        how about
      • the artist name is the correct one for the artist comes from (eg cyrilic, kanji etc) but the site defaults to showign english/latin1 ??
      • luks
        i'll do anything to make it easier for people who can read kanji, cyrillic, greek, etc.
      • chocomo
        don't tel lem that. i was here
      • luks
        but i'll never agree that english version of the name should be primary
      • chocomo
        not primary. just the site shoving it default to users?
      • g0llum
        why, it's the common denominator.