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      • disciple_
        PRAEst76, hmm got any good sites that musicbrainz considers authoritative? I use amazon mostly

        • 2005-09-09 25245, 2005

      • fuchs is missing some characters

        • 2005-09-09 25253, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Sometimes if there is doubt i'll take what is on the spine over what is on the cover.

        • 2005-09-09 25201, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        discogs?

        • 2005-09-09 25212, 2005

      • fuchs
        disciple_: take the cover, it the most trusted source we use

        • 2005-09-09 25216, 2005

      • disciple_
        oh I see you're looking at the title in the amazon, image. ;)

        • 2005-09-09 25232, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        sometimes you need to check a few difference sources and use you imagination.

        • 2005-09-09 25235, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        your

        • 2005-09-09 25207, 2005

      • disciple_
        ok, I'll edit the moderation, do you have any good online sources then better than amazon that I could use to check these thing that musicbrainz would consider authoritative?

        • 2005-09-09 25225, 2005

      • fuchs
        but actually, here's another version of the cover: http://www.cover-paradies.to/?fCall=ShowImage&…

        • 2005-09-09 25225, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        oh that's annoying...

        • 2005-09-09 25215, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=srmr&page=…

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      • PRAEst76
        play.com concurs

        • 2005-09-09 25230, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        I think we should vote it through.

        • 2005-09-09 25239, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        It's at least more correct than it was.

        • 2005-09-09 25204, 2005

      • disciple_
        yus, renaissance should be in there somewhere, it was a bugger to find without it

        • 2005-09-09 25239, 2005

      • fuchs
        disciple_: compare the track list with the amazon link you gave in the mod, it's not even the same album ;)

        • 2005-09-09 25236, 2005

      • fuchs
        http://www.cover-paradies.to/?fCall=ShowImage&… <- that's the track list that matches the one in musicbrainz, so at least your new name is correct :)

        • 2005-09-09 25209, 2005

      • disciple_
        is it, in my defense I'm pulling the album title from the .nfo the amazon link was a quick grab to illustrate, I didn't check every track

        • 2005-09-09 25226, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        the play.com link seems to accurate

        • 2005-09-09 25254, 2005

      • fuchs
        yep

        • 2005-09-09 25252, 2005

      • disciple_
        cheers guys, how many yes votes does it need for an accept?

        • 2005-09-09 25240, 2005

      • fuchs
        3 yes

        • 2005-09-09 25256, 2005

      • disciple_
        Just need one more then, anyone else here able todo a quick mod on these? http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3358563 http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3358564 http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3358565

        • 2005-09-09 25257, 2005

      • Shepard
        ..is the simple answer

        • 2005-09-09 25233, 2005

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      • PRAEst76
        right... i'm still trying to get picard running here. I'm getting the "ImportError: No module named wx" but i'm assming it's because PYTHONPATH isn't set correctly. what exactly is it looking for? eg where should i be pointing PYTHONPATH?

        • 2005-09-09 25252, 2005

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      • luks
        where you have installed wxPython?

        • 2005-09-09 25212, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        No idea. I just let it use whatever the defaults where for make install. I'm going to try roberts build script

        • 2005-09-09 25225, 2005

      • luks
        and which version of python? 2.4?

        • 2005-09-09 25206, 2005

      • luks
        if 2.4, then default install path from source tarball is probably '/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages'

        • 2005-09-09 25213, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Yep.

        • 2005-09-09 25215, 2005

      • luks
        just try to run `python`

        • 2005-09-09 25225, 2005

      • luks
        and then `import wx`

        • 2005-09-09 25236, 2005

      • luks
        and if it's not working, then:

        • 2005-09-09 25238, 2005

      • luks
        import sys

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      • luks
        sys.path.append('/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages')

        • 2005-09-09 25200, 2005

      • luks
        and again `import wx`

        • 2005-09-09 25200, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Still get "ImportError: No module named wx"

        • 2005-09-09 25206, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        it's like it's not there.

        • 2005-09-09 25209, 2005

      • djce is away: bye

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      • inhouseuk has quit

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      • Malnilion joined the channel

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      • inhouseuk_
        inhouseuk_ is now known as inhouseuk

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      • dseomn
        how do I handle albums released in different languages?

        • 2005-09-09 25226, 2005

      • dseomn
        I heard something about using an AR between albums of both versions before, but I didn't see any album-album AR that looked right

        • 2005-09-09 25237, 2005

      • DJKC
        we don't, yet

        • 2005-09-09 25248, 2005

      • dholmes
        So, uh

        • 2005-09-09 25257, 2005

      • dholmes
        Is anybody working on translation issues right now?

        • 2005-09-09 25220, 2005

      • nikki_ whistles innocently

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      • DJKC waves at nikki_

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      • DJKC
        catch link last night?

        • 2005-09-09 25219, 2005

      • nikki_
        hi!

        • 2005-09-09 25221, 2005

      • nikki_
        nope

        • 2005-09-09 25235, 2005

      • DJKC
        [22:18 09/08/05] > _nikki: watched http://www.universal-music.co.jp/stream/tatu/UI3C… ?

        • 2005-09-09 25221, 2005

      • nikki_
        nope

        • 2005-09-09 25225, 2005

      • nikki_ snickers

        • 2005-09-09 25231, 2005

      • nikki_
        I can't watch windows media on osx

        • 2005-09-09 25235, 2005

      • nikki_ goes over to linux...

        • 2005-09-09 25230, 2005

      • nikki_
        hmm.

        • 2005-09-09 25241, 2005

      • ValHallA|SW`gone has quit

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      • PRAEst76
        wxPython makes me cry

        • 2005-09-09 25212, 2005

      • warp
        aw

        • 2005-09-09 25214, 2005

      • warp
        don't cry

        • 2005-09-09 25217, 2005

      • warp
        you can do it!

        • 2005-09-09 25233, 2005

      • warp
        i am wondering how python is finding wxpython here

        • 2005-09-09 25228, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        I think python can find wxPython ok here. i think it's just lying to me because it hates me.

        • 2005-09-09 25254, 2005

      • warp
        i think it's finding the wrong one here ;)

        • 2005-09-09 25201, 2005

      • nikki_ hugs debian for having wxpython

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      • PRAEst76
        ubuntu has it, just too old a version

        • 2005-09-09 25224, 2005

      • nikki_
        stupid ubuntu

        • 2005-09-09 25226, 2005

      • warp is on ubuntu

        • 2005-09-09 25232, 2005

      • nikki_
        even testing has a new enough version!

        • 2005-09-09 25242, 2005

      • warp
        and picard works here.

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      • PRAEst76
        Maybe I should write to mark shuttleworth and tell him to sort it out or I'm going to mail him dog turds

        • 2005-09-09 25249, 2005

      • dseomn
        PRAEst76: ubuntu updated the version

        • 2005-09-09 25214, 2005

      • dseomn
        anyway Oliver Grawert would be the person to threaten I think

        • 2005-09-09 25218, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        dseomn: they did? I should hold the dog turds then...

        • 2005-09-09 25234, 2005

      • GURT
        is misinformation better than no information?

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      • PRAEst76
        I don't think so.

        • 2005-09-09 25204, 2005

      • GURT
        neither do i

        • 2005-09-09 25208, 2005

      • dseomn
        what's the misinfo? maybe we can help you sort it out

        • 2005-09-09 25212, 2005

      • GURT
        well

        • 2005-09-09 25216, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Though I think slightly inaccurate info is better than no info

        • 2005-09-09 25223, 2005

      • GURT
        theres a disc marked as Album, Official

        • 2005-09-09 25227, 2005

      • GURT
        and it's neither

        • 2005-09-09 25235, 2005

      • GURT
        so i changed it to "i don't know"

        • 2005-09-09 25240, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        misinformation inplies a deliberate attempt to confuse

        • 2005-09-09 25246, 2005

      • warp
        GURT: then what is it?

        • 2005-09-09 25246, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        what is it?

        • 2005-09-09 25257, 2005

      • GURT
        and i cant find ANY information on the disc on google.. and an automod is telling me i shouldn't remove it, and that i should correct it

        • 2005-09-09 25206, 2005

      • warp
        GURT: link?

        • 2005-09-09 25215, 2005

      • GURT
        http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3356005

        • 2005-09-09 25218, 2005

      • GURT
        http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3356007

        • 2005-09-09 25201, 2005

      • dseomn
        those definitely look like albums to me

        • 2005-09-09 25207, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        It's quite rare that a release can't be classed as something.

        • 2005-09-09 25217, 2005

      • GURT
        it could be a bootleg

        • 2005-09-09 25220, 2005

      • GURT
        it could be a compolation

        • 2005-09-09 25222, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        what do you know about this release GURT?

        • 2005-09-09 25233, 2005

      • GURT
        i know that DMB has never put out any discs called Hometown

        • 2005-09-09 25247, 2005

      • Deyardly has quit

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      • GURT
        i know DMB like the back of my hand (unfortunitly)

        • 2005-09-09 25200, 2005

      • dseomn
        if it's not official and not promotion, it's probably safe to say it's a bootleg

        • 2005-09-09 25233, 2005

      • dseomn
        if the songs are on official album, it's probably compilation, bootleg

        • 2005-09-09 25235, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        there are mentions of "hometown" concerts

        • 2005-09-09 25238, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        on google.

        • 2005-09-09 25240, 2005

      • dseomn
        *albums

        • 2005-09-09 25248, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Maybe a bootleg of some of theseshows

        • 2005-09-09 25219, 2005

      • warp
        PRAEst76: hometown in those articles just refers to the hometown of DMB, the concerts don't seem to be actually called 'hometown'

        • 2005-09-09 25228, 2005

      • GURT
        is there a way to see if the TRMs on the discs are the same for other discs? you know what i mean? like if one of those matches with an album than it would be a compilation wouldn't it?

        • 2005-09-09 25252, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        yeah, i see that now.

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      • PRAEst76
        Perhaps a bootleg of this show?

        • 2005-09-09 25233, 2005

      • dseomn
        GURT: TRMs aren't a good way to check

        • 2005-09-09 25245, 2005

      • GURT
        ok

        • 2005-09-09 25257, 2005

      • dseomn
        there are too many duplicated and mis-TRMed tracks

        • 2005-09-09 25203, 2005

      • GURT
        i just don't see why information can't be removed if its wrong

        • 2005-09-09 25212, 2005

      • warp
        i'd still guess it's a bootleg recording of such a concert, yes.

        • 2005-09-09 25223, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        how do the length of the songs compare to the version of these tracks on other albums?

        • 2005-09-09 25258, 2005

      • GURT
        checking

        • 2005-09-09 25258, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Well the info can be changed if it's wrong but it's often considered good to do some research and find out what something *is* rather than what it *isn't*

        • 2005-09-09 25207, 2005

      • GURT
        right

        • 2005-09-09 25212, 2005

      • GURT
        and i have

        • 2005-09-09 25253, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Are there any lists online of DMB bootlegs? Trading sites and such?

        • 2005-09-09 25215, 2005

      • GURT
        i've seen plenty of discs on MB without that info.. and when i see them blank and KNOW wht they are i add the correct information.. and i figure thats what everyone else would do

        • 2005-09-09 25222, 2005

      • GURT
        yeah theres dmbalmanac.com

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      • warp
        GURT: and it's ok to leave a comment that you're not certain that the information you're changing it too is correct -- but more likely than what is is there currently.

        • 2005-09-09 25228, 2005

      • GURT
        the tracks are not album versions

        • 2005-09-09 25242, 2005

      • GURT
        they are of different lengths

        • 2005-09-09 25254, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Then it's very likely a live bootleg

        • 2005-09-09 25238, 2005

      • GURT
        then how am i supposed to explain THAT when that is voted no as well..

        • 2005-09-09 25249, 2005

      • GURT
        i'll remove those mods and mod it to live bootleg

        • 2005-09-09 25259, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Hard to know in these situations. whoever added that release should have maked it better. some moderators would like to delete such releases, but i think through a process of elimination it can only be a live set. as a compilation it wouldn't make much sense except as a homebrew which should probably be deleted.

        • 2005-09-09 25220, 2005

      • GURT
        it seems like a lot of MB mods and such aren't really on the same page.. which is too bad.

        • 2005-09-09 25240, 2005

      • GURT
        er.. auto-mods i should say i guess

        • 2005-09-09 25250, 2005

      • warp
        can i see my own mods for a certain artist? :)

        • 2005-09-09 25202, 2005

      • warp
        nm, found it

        • 2005-09-09 25259, 2005

      • warp
        the auto linking to mod numbers thing is weird

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      • warp
        when you enter 'mod 3232258' in a note, MB creates a link to that moderation, and labels it 'edit #3232258'

        • 2005-09-09 25215, 2005

      • Shepard
        can also write edit :)

        • 2005-09-09 25215, 2005

      • warp
        so the next time i add a note i enter 'edit 3232258', which doesn't work :/

        • 2005-09-09 25229, 2005

      • warp
        http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3359264

        • 2005-09-09 25232, 2005

      • Shepard
        edit #123 that is

        • 2005-09-09 25249, 2005

      • warp
        mod doesn't need the #,.. odd

        • 2005-09-09 25210, 2005

      • Shepard
        well mod is BadTerminology :)

        • 2005-09-09 25228, 2005

      • warp
        it would be easier to remember if the 'mod <number>' feature also requires a # :)

        • 2005-09-09 25245, 2005

      • warp
        now i'm apparantly mixing two different bits of info and getting it wrong each time XD

        • 2005-09-09 25251, 2005

      • nikki_
        I always use "mod #12345"