When I woke up I didn't think I was hungover, but apparently I am.
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ruaok: costume? You aren't going to that royal theme party, are you?
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Go186K
Having problems with tagger vs. musicmatch. Anybody around?
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melange
I think they're all recovering from new years
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Go186K
Not that late here yet (west coast US)
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Go186K
Still preparing to recover. ;-)
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melange
.. or they're all priming up for it :)
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Go186K
:-)
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Go186K
You a tagger user?
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melange
not so much, I'm based on linux. I occasionally start it up in vmware though
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melange
need something tested?
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Go186K
Running win32 here so I guess it's out of bounds.
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melange
vmware runs win98 in a virtual machine, so I can do win32
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Go186K
maybe a recommendation. what would be the best win32 program to examine tag contents?
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melange
hmm .. I used to like Helium2, but I think that's become a pay program
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Go186K
is it good?
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melange
that's more of a tag editor though, not sure it'll give you any raw info
2004-01-01 00127, 2004
melange
if that's what you're after
2004-01-01 00135, 2004
melange
it was pretty good back when I used to use it
2004-01-01 00154, 2004
melange
that's going back a year or two now :)
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Go186K
I may end up writing my own tag inspector some day just so I can understand what's in those things.
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Go186K
:-)
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melange
otherwise, a good hex viewer and the id3v2 specs handy ;)
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Go186K
I've been tagging my collection with the MB tagger for several months. Decided to re-build my musicmatch library. Now musicmatch is having trouble with new tags.
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Go186K
MB tagger use id3v1 or id3v2?
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melange
musicmatch does some weird things with the tags
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melange
MB is both. it always uses v2, optionally does v1 (both can exist in a file)
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melange
I've always heard bad things about musicmatch and tagging, so I've always avoided it
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Go186K
Probably an issue with musicmatch. I've been using it to rip my CD's because it's easy. Maybe I should switch to another program,.
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melange
I recommend CDex and LAME
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melange
I think the encoder in MusicMatch is considered pretty crappy too, if I recall correctly
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Go186K
Works on both win32 and linux?
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melange
CDex is win32 only, I think, so yeah
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Go186K
No problem. My linux box has been out of commission for almost a year.
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melange
there might be better things out there now, it's been a while since I was a win32 person
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melange
whats wrong with it?
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Go186K
Wish I could say the same. My kids need win32 for games so our computers are mostly running XP.
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melange
I have a ps2 for that :)
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Go186K
:)
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melange
with the occasional dual-boot into win98 for some games, that's fairly rare though
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Go186K
As soon as I get my CD collection ripped I'm going to rebuild the linux box with new HW and run SAMBA.
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Go186K
I'll check out CDex and LAME for the rest of my ripping. MusicMatch is beginning to be a headache.
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Go186K
I need a library manager though.
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Go186K
Too many files.
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melange
do you know what encoder musicmatch uses? Blade? Xing? Fraunhofer?
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melange
yeah, I know the feeling
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melange
between myself and my housemate, the mp3 collection is a mess, so many duplicates
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melange
wb
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Go186K
:)
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Go186K
Maybe I should pay for MIRC?
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Go186K
:)
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melange
or use linux ;)
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Go186K
heh. I think you're right. My conscience is getting to me.
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Go186K
BTW, I live only about 20 miles from M$ HQ and lots of my friends work for them.
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melange
ahh, so you're fraternising with the enemy then?
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melange
:)
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Go186K
:-)
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Go186K
Gotta run. I'll check out CDex and LAME. Thanks for the suggestion.
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melange
np
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melange
happy new year
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orogor_ is now known as orogor
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Knio is now known as Knio-sleep
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melange
anyone awake?
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melange
hi djce
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djce
mornin'
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djce
Happy new year!
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melange
:)
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melange
same to you, although for me it was over 22 hours ago now :)
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djce
Ah! OK, only 11 hrs here.
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djce
GMT+11.... Eastern Oz?
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melange
Yep, Melbourne
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melange
You're UK or thereabouts?
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djce
You asked about the timezones, right?
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djce
uk, yes
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melange
yes, that was me
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djce
I did do something about that - I didn't forget!
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melange
:)
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djce
It was a bit "dirty" though, code-wise. It will get done, honest.
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melange
I'm not terribly fussed, it's only a minor thing
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melange
doesn't phase me, it was more of a "hey, that's not right, better tell someone" rather than a "everything is broken" thing :)
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djce
sure. ok, duly noted :)
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melange
I'm the same guy who put in the feature request for emailing on a "No" vote, btw
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melange
I've been busy lately
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djce
Ah... I get so confused with all these different nicknames, real names etc.
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djce
That's why I decided to drop my old nickname and just go with my initials.
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melange
yeah, that's probably not such a bad idea
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djce
I have a very common firstname + lastname, but a very unusual set of initials.
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melange
I'm not even going to hazard a guess
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melange
:)
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hi
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yalaforge
just saw the message on the website, thanks!
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melange
?
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djce
melange: the "happy new year" message on the web site was yalaforge's idea.
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melange
ahh, now I see :)
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melange
djce: are you still here?
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djce
yes
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melange
can you explain the trm lookup count value?
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djce
sure
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djce
every time the tagger, or some other app, calls the lookup-info-by-TRM-id function
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djce
then the lookupcount for that TRM goes up by one
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melange
ok
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melange
so, if I find what looks to be a homebrew/bogus album, and the TRMs have only been hit, like, once, I can use that to back up my theory?
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melange
and how can a trm have 0 lookups?
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djce
sounds likely, yes. It could well mean that that album has only been tagged once or twice.
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melange
(presuming the lookup count gets bumped when it's put into the database)
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djce
When a TRM is first generated, it's count is zero.
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melange
ok
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djce
So after the first round of tagging, it's still zero.
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djce
it only starts going up if you force an "analyze again" (?) on those files again
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melange
right-o
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melange
thanks, that helps a lot
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djce
np
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melange
wb
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melange
Hey, would you prefer me to put things like the "timezone" thing, and the "release sort order" issues I raised on the mailing list into the sourceforge tracker instead?
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djce
yes please
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melange
ok, will do
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ruaok blinks
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ruaok
I should really be getting to bed -- the sun is coming up....
