It's nikki's script, but her version broke due to YouTube stopping their old API, so that's my fork updated to the new API.
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CatQuest
ah i ave to drink tea nad showver
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Freso needs to go out for a spell
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culinko
Freso: thanks for the script, but i don't think i will be adding any stuff to mb very soon, i just fix something now and then
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Freso
Adding YouTube music videos with that script is real easy and quick though. So you never know. ;)
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CatQuest installs it anyway
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culinko
interestingly enough, all of the added releases that had their recordings linked to youtube with the upload date as the release date and their time adjusted to not include anything except the song itself (so no intro, outro, commercial stuff) have been uploaded by one guy
2015-09-15 25800, 2015
culinko
for now i changed the recordings to video and fixed some relationships and durations. after the edits are done (one week), i will try to keep only the recordings and discard the rest (rg, release). is there any sensible way to do it?
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Freso
culinko: I think releases have a "delete release" link?
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culinko
yeah, but would it keep the recording?
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Freso
It should, if it has relationships... I think.
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culinko
alright, so the guy that added the remix of Lindsey Stirling's song has only one concern and it's the upload date on youtube. there is no way to store that info currently
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Freso
You can add it on the YouTube URL relationship, even if it is a bit cumbersome.
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reosarevok
eww
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reosarevok
(but technically you can I guess, if that one still supports dates)
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Freso
It does.
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Freso
And I really don't get the "eww" about dates on URL relationships. I think it's a brilliant thing.
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reosarevok
It's generally irrelevant (who cares which day an artist opened their twitter account?) and sometimes just an ugly hack (like herE)
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Freso
I don't think it's an ugly hack. Esp. if a video is later removed, *I* like to know when it was available.
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reosarevok
I mean, what is wanted here is not "which day was this first uploaded to youtube" really, is it, but "which day was this released (which in this case involves uploading to youtube)"
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reosarevok
Or would you move digital releases' dates to be on the iTunes relationship or the like?
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Freso
A digital release has a release date independent of the dates which it is available on various retailers.
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culinko
where do you add the date on the youtube relationship? i can't find it
2015-09-15 25807, 2015
Freso
I don't see URL rel. dates as release dates.
2015-09-15 25826, 2015
reosarevok
culinko: you need to edit the rel once it's added, and possibly only works from the URL side now?
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Freso
culinko: You have to go to the URL entity (follow the "[info]" link next to the URL), and then "edit" that.
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reosarevok
Freso: does it? Then what does the release date mean?
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culinko
nope, not there
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reosarevok
(if it's not "the date it's available on various retailers")
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culinko
oh found it
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culinko
so hidden
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Freso
reosarevok: A digital release can be released and made available the same day on Bandcamp and iTunes, 2 months later that release is put up for streaming on Spotify, 3 years later it is put up for download and stream on SoundCloud.
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Freso
I would only put the original release date as the release date, but have separate URL rel. dates.
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reosarevok
culinko: I think bitmap didn't even remember it was originally allowed when designing the relationship editor - we haven't shown the date fields when adding the URLs for many years
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reosarevok
That's why it's "hidden" - it's just that that bit happened not to get changed
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reosarevok guesses he just doesn't see the use of dates there at all - it's either available there and it makes sense to have a link, or it isn't and the link should be removed
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Freso
Yeah, I'm not in the "and the link should be removed" camp. :)
2015-09-15 25821, 2015
Freso
I think it makes sense to denote that something *used to be* available at a location.
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reosarevok
I can see the use of keeping a link that's mostly text info so that it can be looked at with archive.org
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reosarevok
But something like spotify just won't do anything at all
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Freso
Other than have some kind of Spotify identifier that may be used for cross-referencing.
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Freso
Sometimes artists are identified due to us having a MySpace URL that is no longer working, which they reference on some ancient YouTube video description or homepage.
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Freso
Just because the content at the endpoint of an URL is no longer relevant, does not mean the URL *as an identifier in its own right* is irrelevant.
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reosarevok
Ok, that's kinda fair, and it might make sense to have some "deprecated urls" section or something that could be consulted
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reosarevok
I do think we shouldn't be serving those as if they were real useful URLs though because they aren't for most data users
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Freso
Sure. I don't disagree with that.
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reosarevok
(and I don't like the idea of using an attribute for it because of the same reason I dislike using attributes for any other thing that's significantly different - it puts all the effort of filtering things we know are different on the user)
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reosarevok
(like with the translator rel)
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reosarevok
That said, I'm still not sure if the date gives particularly useful info there, except in the very rare case where the same URL was used for two different (MB-relevant) things in time
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Freso
And some are.
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reosarevok
A tiny amount of them might be, but does that really justify the additional complexity?
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Freso
I'd say yes.
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reosarevok
IIRC the reason we removed the date fields from the URL adding UI in the first place is that only a tiny amount of people were using it in any reasonable way
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reosarevok
And they got misused often
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reosarevok
(same as the description field, but I guess we fully dropped that one)
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Freso
And now it's hidden away and only people dedicated about it are using it.
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Freso
I'm okay with that.
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culinko
i just wanted to convince someone to cancel his release and add only recording for the youtube relationship. he decided to add the release because there was no way to set the upload date on the recording, so that's why he used the release date on release :P
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Freso
Yeah.
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culinko
also, what happens to cover art when you delete the release? does it just get unlinked?
I don't think the IA ever really deletes data. Ever.
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pankkake
they delete things, at least for the public. I have a lot of archive.org/details/*** links that end up as 404s
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Freso
pankkake: Taking it offline/making it non-public doesn't necessarily mean they've deleted it. :)
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pankkake
yes, I suspect in some cases it's set to reappear in 100 years
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reosarevok
Yeah, I think that's the idea, that they'll get undarkened when they're out of copyright. However long that takes
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reosarevok
Freso: yep!
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reosarevok
"[Multiple languages] (Basic)" :p
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Freso
It's true!
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Freso
I genuinely mean every single one of those languages.
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pankkake
well, thanks to MB I can recognize many languages without understanding them
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Freso
(Not really thanks to MB) I can understand parts of, say, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Japanese, ... even if I've never actively studied them, mostly due to their similarity with other European languages which I have studied (well, not Japanese, that's just too much manga/anime, a bit of martial arts, and also the MB influence).
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CatQuest
du har et avansert nivå av inget lingvistisk innhold?
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CatQuest
uhh huh
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CatQuest
det betyr vel bare kaudervelsk da men. :P
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CatQuest
men betyr det at du forstår &%$&$%HG423**@4+++ *bedre* enn det jeg skriver NÅ, da du kan norsk bare basisk?
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CatQuest
høres rart ut :P
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CatQuest
men så er du rar da..
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Freso
CatQuest: Dancing, playing music?
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CatQuest
er dét et språk?
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CatQuest
tja, kanskje det
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Freso
It's non-linguistic communication anyway. :)
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CatQuest
ja,
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mb-chat-logger
New post: blog: IRC channel switcheroo <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/09/15/irc-channel-switcheroo/>
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Freso
ruaok: ^ sure we don't want mb-chat-logger in #metabrainz until OTHER-228 ? :)
