Freso: ftr right now there are a multitude of "kitchen percussion" suggestions. literally pan pot and pan and pot seperate
2018-09-24 26728, 2018
Freso
My initial thought was that the N-string was indented a level too far.
2018-09-24 26732, 2018
CatQuest
I think bottle might qualify. but anything can be an instrument, literally anything can be made to create sound.. it's difficult to blanace reality with practicality
2018-09-24 26753, 2018
Freso
Absolutely.
2018-09-24 26700, 2018
Freso
I didn't want to start a discussion about bottles.
2018-09-24 26718, 2018
CatQuest
I think we should re-add (and maybe rewrite?) "Remember: These are all guidelines and are not set in stone. Of course, if you can make a good argument for why something *Should* be an instrument after all, feel free to create a ticket! "
2018-09-24 26736, 2018
Freso
It was just the "that it starts to be produced" clause that I felt uneasy about.
2018-09-24 26747, 2018
CatQuest
Freso: it's cool (just maybe point you in the direction of the INST ticet for it ;) (I know, i'm soo subtile))
2018-09-24 26759, 2018
CatQuest
yep, I agree. maybe produced is a wrong word..
2018-09-24 26712, 2018
Freso
But… you didn't point me at any INST ticket though.
2018-09-24 26715, 2018
CatQuest
there is a bit in the N-string that also touches on this
2018-09-24 26725, 2018
CatQuest
Freso: in a secons 👍
2018-09-24 26759, 2018
CatQuest
the bit in n-string is basically "or modfied in a particular way"
2018-09-24 26717, 2018
Freso
(Either way, I don't particularly have anything to add for neither bottles nor kitchen utility percussion. Again, it was an example to help exemplify a possible problematic wording.)
2018-09-24 26733, 2018
CatQuest
so basiclaly if there is a "this is how oy uplay a bottle, this is the sort of bottle you use for blowing" isntructions. a reproducible "thing that makes it ansintrument i think
2018-09-24 26745, 2018
CatQuest
yes i understand! i am using bottle too as an example!
2018-09-24 26748, 2018
CatQuest
:D
2018-09-24 26730, 2018
CatQuest
since it's one of the things i had in mind when i wrote this. becasue it litterally is right there "is it or isnt it"
2018-09-24 26749, 2018
CatQuest
so it's a good example. to use as a edge case. (not one ot be solved right now )
2018-09-24 26754, 2018
Freso
Maybe flip "Non-instruments" and "Brand names"?
2018-09-24 26721, 2018
Freso
"Non-instruments" again feels a bit like a "catch-all for everything else".
Very nice that it's possible to link to specific sections too.
2018-09-24 26729, 2018
reosarevok
Changed n-string to be its own section
2018-09-24 26737, 2018
reosarevok
Just under modified, so "as above" still works
2018-09-24 26757, 2018
CatQuest
that makes sense
2018-09-24 26709, 2018
reosarevok
Switched non-instruments
2018-09-24 26757, 2018
CatQuest
does the "to be added" section ned ratioales?
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reosarevok
"if the musical use of a generic household item becomes popular enough that it starts to be produced (usually with slight modifications) specifically as a musical instrument, or it becomes something enough people see as an actual instrument, it can qualify for inclusion (such as musical saw and musical spoons)" ?
2018-09-24 26713, 2018
CatQuest
i liek that
2018-09-24 26726, 2018
CatQuest
it avoids the troublesome "produced"
2018-09-24 26711, 2018
reosarevok
Ok
2018-09-24 26749, 2018
CatQuest
as an only exception
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CatQuest
possibly also "see modified instruments blow" ?
2018-09-24 26704, 2018
CatQuest
below*
2018-09-24 26728, 2018
Freso
I don't know.
2018-09-24 26740, 2018
CatQuest
abotu what?
2018-09-24 26742, 2018
Freso
I don't think you need to reference "downwards" like that.
2018-09-24 26755, 2018
CatQuest
yea i mena it follows.. that's true
2018-09-24 26706, 2018
Freso
About the last question asked before my message? :)
2018-09-24 26741, 2018
CatQuest
yes i understood
2018-09-24 26702, 2018
Freso
Some more possible formatting: https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:CatCat/INSTwate… - the do's and don't's. Maybe `'''bold'''` the first part/sentence of the lists, to highlight/make stand out the important part of each?
2018-09-24 26722, 2018
Freso
I don't think I have anything else to add for now. :)
2018-09-24 26725, 2018
Freso
Nice job!
2018-09-24 26735, 2018
Freso
!m CatQuest (and reosarevok)
2018-09-24 26735, 2018
BrainzBot
You're doing good work, CatQuest (and reosarevok)!
2018-09-24 26747, 2018
CatQuest
yes the do's and don't look very un standouting now after the other sections are formatted
2018-09-24 26700, 2018
CatQuest
thnka you freso! thank you for looking into this also!
2018-09-24 26750, 2018
reosarevok
I'm bolding, let's see
2018-09-24 26758, 2018
CatQuest
this true for the "other things yo ucna do to help" also
2018-09-24 26708, 2018
CatQuest
should the QA section be there or last?
2018-09-24 26759, 2018
Freso
Maybe add QA after "how to", before "other things"
2018-09-24 26705, 2018
CatQuest
should "certain people" in the header link to "privileged users" iir we had a page like that
If so, I'd change "certain people" to "relationship editors".
2018-09-24 26709, 2018
CatQuest
👍 I like that a lot better
2018-09-24 26736, 2018
Freso
(Even if only a single rel. editor is actually dealing with it, it still makes it much more tangible than just "some unknown, random people". :))
2018-09-24 26744, 2018
CatQuest
yep
2018-09-24 26728, 2018
CatQuest
and some time i the future i will have an assistant . right. whne i get old i need ot teach my craft to the new generation that will take over after i'm dust 😹
Freso: I avoided adding a link to privileged because half of those people aren't active and or don't deal with this, and we wouldn't want people to start messaging them about it
2018-09-24 26721, 2018
CatQuest
oh damn. thats.. a point
2018-09-24 26745, 2018
CatQuest
is there a "instrument head" link somewhere? idk
2018-09-24 26746, 2018
Freso
I'd maybe do `'''Only add one instrument per ticket''', and one ticket per instrument.` instead for that one line, rest of do's seem fine to me.
i kidna see the bold though. maybe only bolding the "one"
2018-09-24 26734, 2018
CatQuest
or "one ticket"
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Freso
You could `''emphasise''` the "one" instead of `'''bolding'''` it maybe?
2018-09-24 26733, 2018
CatQuest
i did osme stuff to the "oher things " section. i feel this could be longer too. hopefull some peopel at the meeting will have ideas?
2018-09-24 26706, 2018
CatQuest
hmm. now all the "don'ts" hstart with "don't" then shouldn't all the "do's" start with "do"? I feel it's a bit excessive but i'd rather have the same in each section
2018-09-24 26732, 2018
CatQuest
it makes it probably simpler and less confusing ot include the "don't"
2018-09-24 26751, 2018
reosarevok
I changed the Don'ts so that if someone just looks at bold stuff they quickly see it's NOPE
2018-09-24 26700, 2018
reosarevok
I think the lack of a NOPE is clear enough for the dos :p
2018-09-24 26717, 2018
CatQuest
yes but yes but ocd D:
2018-09-24 26724, 2018
CatQuest
:)
2018-09-24 26738, 2018
CatQuest
it's fine.
2018-09-24 26750, 2018
CatQuest
i mena it originally confused even ferso a little os adding "don't" was a good idea :D
2018-09-24 26754, 2018
CatQuest
ersj
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CatQuest
i mean it originally confused even freso a little os adding "don't" was a good idea :D
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CatQuest
one thing: we are 3(three!) non-english natives. we all communicate pretty alright (except for my typing) but getting a native english to look at the gramar or of there is anything wrong with language would be a boon
2018-09-24 26722, 2018
CatQuest
last thing: what should the name actually be 😅
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CatQuest
alright. I think we can basically close OTHER-326 then. I made the wikipage, you both helped making it more than "catcat rants on a wikipage" so it's basically doen as far as "writing" now it needs refining and that's a process for he comunity, not one person
