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      • rcombs
        hmm, got a couple cases where I'm not sure which side of the line of "edit" vs "remix" something falls on
      • the later version of the work isn't called a "remix" in the track listing, but it has a significantly different duration due to different intro and outro segments transitioning between the previous and next songs on gapless albums (in both releases)
      • I'll go with "edit" for now
      • antlarr
        I'm in no way an expert, but I'd agree that's an "edit"
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      • rcombs
        kepstin: I have trouble thinking of DEAD SPACE ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dueyUrRitas ) as a "recording of" the same work as ヴォヤージュ1970 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLnx3JG0zzw )
      • (ignore the lyrics in the lead-in on DEAD SPACE, they're looped from the previous track in a gapless album)
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      • CatQuest
        rcombs: I'd say this is grade A+ "remix" situation
      • but yea. i can't even hear how they're supposed to be the same song
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      • rcombs
        CatQuest: a "remix" is a new recording of the same work, linked to the existing recording
      • CatQuest
        uh. i know that
      • rcombs
        I don't think this is derived from the original recording at all
      • CatQuest
        then.. it's not a remix but a completely new song?
      • why link them?
      • rcombs
        that's how I'd classify it, yeah
      • but kepstin was saying that if there's no new writing credit (e.g. lyrics) then it shouldn't be a separate work
      • CatQuest
        if they are completely unrelated then they don't need classifications
      • rcombs
        well it's derived from the _work_
      • CatQuest
        granted it's early here and I didn't listen very turoughly. but "remix" can be very "over" done
      • ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      • rcombs
        not sure what you mean by that, sorry?
      • CatQuest
        oh sorry, it's a "shrug" emoticon. it means i don't relaly know either :)
      • rcombs
        I meant by "'over' done"
      • CatQuest
        oh.
      • oh that whoever remixes soemthing goes over the top and adds all kinds of things and basiclaly it sounds nothing a like. you're saying it's derived for mthe same work
      • i honestly couldn't hear anything except mad electrobeats tbh :)
      • but it's early. im not yet awake
      • rcombs
        oh, yeah, I'm saying at that point it seems weird to classify it as a "remix" recording rather than a new derivative work
      • CatQuest
        need to eat breakfast too :D
      • ah yea. well
      • reosarevok
        rcombs: If you feel it's a new work, add a new work. They can always be merged :)
      • CatQuest
        hm 🤔 I though "remix" was "recording-recording" linking? reosarevok?
      • rcombs
        it is, yeah
      • which is why I don't think it applies here
      • CatQuest
        no?
      • reosarevok: can a recording from one work be aremix of a recording fro ma nother work? is that.. ok?
      • also right in asking kepsin too
      • reosarevok
        Sometimes yes (a remix with new lyrics for example)
      • Also sometimes something called a remix isn't really a remix at all, but a new track based on something else :)
      • CatQuest
        they're arguing that there's basically "new everything"
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      • rcombs
        in this case it's not called a "remix" in the track listing or anything like that
      • it's just listed as a song based on another song
      • which sounds like a new work linked to the old one (with "based on" rather than "arrangement of", according to kepstin), with the recording linked only to the new work
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      • also I'm assuming that if one recording is an edit of another, then both should be linked to the corresponding work
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      • also I'm uncertain when to put "Arranger" on a recording and when to put it on a work, so currently I'm putting it on both
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      • there's also apparently some disagreement over whether tracks on Alstroemeria Records DANCEHALL albums should have their track artists tagged as "Alstroemeria Records", the arranger (often, but not always, Masayoshi Minoshima), or the vocalist if present and otherwise the arranger
      • it's apparently ambiguous on the CD packaging, but the iTunes releases use the third option (vocalist if present, otherwise arranger), so I guess I'll switch to that going forwards (I'd been using the second option)
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      • CatQuest
        I'd say vocalist (if present) AND arranger but...
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      • kepstin
        I'd like arranger feat. Vocalist, yeah, but...
      • Never seen that on any releases as nice as it would be
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      • zarcade_droid
        Can series be nested into each other? And are podcasts a thing that can/are worth to insert into the db?
      • yvanzo
      • And yes podcasts can be worth it.
      • There even are guidelines to help with: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Specific_type...
      • zarcade_droid
        Okay, I'll implement those too in my script then and see what's the end result is like
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