#musicbrainz

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      • RavenWorks
        Is there an official style guide for how to chop up the sort name for a name like "Niels van der Steenhoven"
      • https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/88... this suggests that "van Beukering" should be sorted under B
      • which I guess would make it "Steenhoven, Niels van der"?
      • but for example, someone entered Pierre van der Linden as "Linden, van der, Pierre", which seems weird, can you just do multiple commas like that?
      • would it be worth making a Jira ticket about having a formal policy for this in the style guide, if nothing else?
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      • elomatreb[m]
        https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Artist/Sort_Name does have some examples that include the multiple-comma thing
      • iconoclasthero
        so reading over the stackexchange information, "The authoritative reference for this type of question (for librarians, at least) would be the publication "Names of Persons" by the International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions, which is available for download here:"
      • elomatreb[m]
        Personally I'd put van der at the end as well, but that may very well depend on languages
      • iconoclasthero
        given the style guide instructs editors to follow the "artist intent".
      • I would say that you should figure out what country the person came from and follow the convention there.
      • or just don't listen to anyone who has van der in their name and let someone else worry about it! :)
      • elomatreb[m]
        German libraries seem to treat titles/joiners like "von und zu" and "van der" as part of the given name (so they're put at the end, e.g. the sort name of Bismarck is "Bismarck-Schönhausen, Otto Eduard Leopold von")
      • iconoclasthero
        in MB, Beetoven is alphetized not van.
      • according to google, Niels van der Steenhoven Musician in Rotterdam, Netherlands Address: Maurice de Vlaminckstraat 11, 3059 VD Rotterdam, Netherlands, so based on my above theory of artist intent, i would alphebetize him as the Dutch do based on your stack exchange link
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      • RavenWorks
        ah yeah sorry I should've mentioned he's Dutch!
      • I'm gonna go ahead and try correcting Pierre van der Linden's sort name that way too, if only to see if anyone speaks up with better information, heh
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      • iconoclasthero
        at the end of the day, it isn't like you are going to stacks to try and physically find van der Whatever under either the v or the W, you're searching an electronic database...i would think that the difference is fairly inconsequential. Not to mention that, but anyone using MB/Picard can just change it to whatever they want. I certianly change things.
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      • can MB generate a .cue for an album?
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      • Yaniel
        isn't that usually done by ripping software
      • based on the CD toc
      • iconoclasthero
        yeah, but i don't haveit
      • Yaniel
        then you'd have to know the offsets of each track in your file somehow
      • MB does not really know anything about the actual audio data
      • iconoclasthero
        sure... i can split it manually w/o a problem, but as you said, I'd need to know the offsets. I'd rather not have to sit here and do that by hand but if that's what I need to do...
      • Yaniel
        it could be easier if there were some inband markers for tracks but since they are out of band, you have to know some details about the file
      • iconoclasthero
      • that might work
      • Yaniel
        if you know that it is exactly that CD that your file is from then yes
      • you can generate a cuesheet from that I think
      • iconoclasthero
        something is wrong between what I have and the list there because track 7 ends at 19:35-36 but the listing there has it ending at 19:43. Even taking out the two seconds at the beginning isn't going to get me close enough.
      • Yaniel
        >if you know that it is exactly that CD
      • iconoclasthero
        yeah, that is the problem. oh well
      • Yaniel
        the hardest part is guessing where exactly to put the boundary between tracks if there is supposed to be silence at the beginning and end
      • or if there is no gap at all
      • iconoclasthero
        there's gap
      • Yaniel
        of course if you don't care too much about accuracy you can open the file in audacity or something that shows you the waveform and try to place the track changes roughly in the middle of the silence sections
      • but it's manual work
      • iconoclasthero
        i eschew audacity in favor of ffmpeg if i can...this looks promising: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36074224/ho...
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      • i have little understanding of what's going on here, but « ffmpeg -i rl.burnside-MS.hill.mp3 -filter_complex "[0:a]silencedetect=n=-90dB:d=2[outa]" -map [outa] -f s16le -y /dev/null |& F='-aq 70 -v warning' perl -ne 'INIT { $ss=0; $se=0; } if (/silence_start: (\S+)/) { $ss=$1; $ctr+=1; printf "ffmpeg -nostdin -i rl.burnside-MS.hill.mp3 -acodec copy -ss %f -t %f $ENV{F} -y %03d.mp3\n", $se, ($ss-$se), $ctr; } if (/
      • silence_end: (\S+)/) { $se=$1; } END { printf "ffmpeg -nostdin -i rl.burnside-MS.hill.mp3 -acodec copy -ss %f $ENV{F} -y %03d.mp3\n", $se, $ctr+1; }' | bash -x » worked.
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