so reading over the stackexchange information, "The authoritative reference for this type of question (for librarians, at least) would be the publication "Names of Persons" by the International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions, which is available for download here:"
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elomatreb[m]
Personally I'd put van der at the end as well, but that may very well depend on languages
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iconoclasthero
given the style guide instructs editors to follow the "artist intent".
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iconoclasthero
I would say that you should figure out what country the person came from and follow the convention there.
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iconoclasthero
or just don't listen to anyone who has van der in their name and let someone else worry about it! :)
2019-10-28 30125, 2019
elomatreb[m]
German libraries seem to treat titles/joiners like "von und zu" and "van der" as part of the given name (so they're put at the end, e.g. the sort name of Bismarck is "Bismarck-Schönhausen, Otto Eduard Leopold von")
2019-10-28 30131, 2019
iconoclasthero
in MB, Beetoven is alphetized not van.
2019-10-28 30120, 2019
iconoclasthero
according to google, Niels van der Steenhoven Musician in Rotterdam, Netherlands Address: Maurice de Vlaminckstraat 11, 3059 VD Rotterdam, Netherlands, so based on my above theory of artist intent, i would alphebetize him as the Dutch do based on your stack exchange link
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RavenWorks
ah yeah sorry I should've mentioned he's Dutch!
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RavenWorks
I'm gonna go ahead and try correcting Pierre van der Linden's sort name that way too, if only to see if anyone speaks up with better information, heh
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iconoclasthero
at the end of the day, it isn't like you are going to stacks to try and physically find van der Whatever under either the v or the W, you're searching an electronic database...i would think that the difference is fairly inconsequential. Not to mention that, but anyone using MB/Picard can just change it to whatever they want. I certianly change things.
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iconoclasthero
can MB generate a .cue for an album?
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Yaniel
isn't that usually done by ripping software
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Yaniel
based on the CD toc
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iconoclasthero
yeah, but i don't haveit
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Yaniel
then you'd have to know the offsets of each track in your file somehow
2019-10-28 30146, 2019
Yaniel
MB does not really know anything about the actual audio data
2019-10-28 30140, 2019
iconoclasthero
sure... i can split it manually w/o a problem, but as you said, I'd need to know the offsets. I'd rather not have to sit here and do that by hand but if that's what I need to do...
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Yaniel
it could be easier if there were some inband markers for tracks but since they are out of band, you have to know some details about the file
if you know that it is exactly that CD that your file is from then yes
2019-10-28 30123, 2019
Yaniel
you can generate a cuesheet from that I think
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iconoclasthero
something is wrong between what I have and the list there because track 7 ends at 19:35-36 but the listing there has it ending at 19:43. Even taking out the two seconds at the beginning isn't going to get me close enough.
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Yaniel
>if you know that it is exactly that CD
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iconoclasthero
yeah, that is the problem. oh well
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Yaniel
the hardest part is guessing where exactly to put the boundary between tracks if there is supposed to be silence at the beginning and end
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Yaniel
or if there is no gap at all
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iconoclasthero
there's gap
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Yaniel
of course if you don't care too much about accuracy you can open the file in audacity or something that shows you the waveform and try to place the track changes roughly in the middle of the silence sections
