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Huh… so this release: https://musicbrainz.org/release/389231a0-6fbd-4... was just changed in an interesting way. The release itself was left alone, but every recording was set to [unknown] as the artist. I assume this was an attempt to clean up classical stuff; Chopin obviously didn’t record any of the tracks. I’ve switched them all to be recorded by the actual performer, but what’s going on with that bo

sublim21: if it exists and you have sources, add it :)

crism: it was set to unknown because someone was overzealously cleaning them up

The script sets the recording artist based on relationships, but the pianist wasn't added as a relationship here

I guess loujine didn't notice the release artist and assumed we didn't know who the performer is, so he set them to unknown :)

tsk, tsk, loujine ;p

crism: you'll want to cancel the release edit though (you don't want to actually change the track artists, just the recordings)

I added the pianist as a relationship too now

Made a few changes to the release as well (titles, release artist)

reosarevok, sources? uhh, its a track put together by me and a buddy. its just got guitar and drums.

sublim21: is it online anywhere? IF so, that's your source ;)

(basically, ideally other people would be able to verify it exists, that's about it)

ahhh. ok. well, guess we'll throw it on some website so it has a source

haha

You can always put it on soundcloud or something

https://musicbrainz.org/tag/death%20by%20covid-... - well that's a lot more than I expected, someone's doing their research...

sublim21: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDFCBbxg... and https://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Add_an_Artist / https://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Use_Works :)

reosarevok: guilty, I didn't understand Melody was the performer :p

also, different question, is this album wrong? https://musicbrainz.org/release/5e731531-b8c1-4... shouldn't it be 3 cds?

King_DuckZ: Did you just added the RE2 soundtrack to MB?

AcoustID doesn’t know about newly Releases until a bit after the (next) hour when it’s done its hourly MB data update, so AcoustID can only return Recording MBIDs until then.

(Ie., if that’s the case and you try again now (a few minutes after the hour :)), it should work.)

Freso: no, it was already there

it's an old album tho, it would be some coincidence if someone else added it just now... is there a way to check?

No clue then. What does Picard’s logs say? What album is it?

You can check the edit history.

well the [non-album tracks] I can't find it even if I serch manually, no idea what it's supposed to be

Non-album tracks are just recordings not linked to a Release.

Ie., if you remove all Release-specific information from a Recording, it’ll be filed under NAT

the MB release is from 1 month ago https://musicbrainz.org/release/461e357a-27bd-4... so... picard bugging out?

Or AcoustID.

15:06:40 <Freso> No clue then. What does Picard’s logs say? What album is it?

King_DuckZ: https://picard.musicbrainz.org/docs/troubleshoo...

Looks like AcoustID is missing Recording metadata from MB: https://acoustid.org/track/f13cc39a-f975-4b86-9...

So seems more like an AcoustID issue than a Picard one.

the log just complains about some cover errors, it may be due to other albums as well, not sure

so if I submit the acoustid for this album then everything will work next time? is that what you're saying?

No.

The AcoustID and Recording MBIDs have already been linked.

But for some reason the AcoustID.org copy of the MusicBrainz database hasn’t been updated or something’s gone wrong, so it doesn’t have the MB metadata needed to provide Release information back in response to the request.

I’d reach out to https://acoustid.org/contact and let luks know about this.

sure, if that's all I can do

King_DuckZ: https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/PICARD-1824

PICARD-1824: Get Release data for Recordings where AcoustID doesn’t have metadata

(I created that just now.)

I’m afraid it is, to the best of my knowledge.

heh thanks because I'm not sure I was able to explain all that :p

Yeah, it’s a bit technical. :)

well it's fine for now since I just used the beloved tagger button in the browser to get the right release in picard, but it'd be nice if it worked for next time or next user

and about my second question, I think it's something I can do myself, should I fix it?

Yeah. I’ve encountered this a bunch of times where I’ve just added a release myself, but I haven’t bothered to file any sorts of reports, since I can work around it just fine… and since the AcoustID.org copy of the MB db will get updated within an hour anyway, so the next person needing it will not need to wait. I haven’t seen month-old Recordings without data like this before though. So definitely please report :/

Wait, what’s the second question?

[14:55] <King_DuckZ> also, different question, is this album wrong? https://musicbrainz.org/release/5e731531-b8c1-4... shouldn't it be 3 cds?

Edit history to the rescue: https://musicbrainz.org/edit/43189271#note-4318... :)

King_DuckZ: I’ll fix up the release real quick.

Freso: cool :3

when adding aliases for a release (group), i.e. romanization for Japanese titles, do I need to add the alias to both the release and the release group?

the track called AbSolitude here is credited to two guys and a company in parentheses, how should I render that in MB? should I add 3 artists to the song?

Thanks, reosarevok and loujine… sorry to dump a complaint then bail like that. I guess I’d added that album 6 years ago, and I’m still not completely in sync with the classical guide. Thanks for the assist!

Should a 2-in-1 (re)release be a Compilation? (reosarevok?)

(Ie., where both the included releases were previously released on their own.)

https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Release_Group/Type#... says that "a reissue of an album, even if it includes bonus tracks" is generally not a compilation, but we consider box set anthologies etc. compilations, don’t we?

For some reason I keep expecting to find the release 'add external link' feature under 'edit relationships'. Is that just a me thing?

I spotted another weird thing: isn't jonathan and "jonathon" the same person? https://musicbrainz.org/search?query=jonathan+c... also I'm sure it's spelled jonathan with an A https://nfssoundtrack.com/toca1/

can I merge them? because I need that guy for the next release I'm entering

ok well I'm doing it

Freso: compilation

They used to be album / EP / whatever but we dropped that in 2016

reosarevok: So "Yes" to my first question?

Yeah :)

I think I have the disc id of an album I just added but I don't have the physical CD so I can't let picard detect it for me - is there a way I can still add that disc id or should I just ignore it?

reosarevok: of course there's seperate release and recording relationships. ugh.

now to go make some fixes

King_DuckZ: How do you have the disc ID without the physical disc?

echarlie: usually you want to set recording ones, but some things apply to the release as a whole

Say the cover isn't for a specific recording :)

Freso, thanks. will look into those links

heh. unless that specific recording was released as a single :D

Then that's a separate single release :)

Same for a few other things (manufactured in, for example)

fair

lot of really subtle stuff that makes sense, but takes a lot of unwrapping and editing to understand

Performers can be added on the release level too, but that's meant for cases where you have something like "musicians in this album: a long list"

ah.

And you don't think (or at least aren't anywhere near sure) they perform on all recordings

so like one of those, 'save the world' records?

So, for a classical piano album, where you know the pianist plays it all, put it on the recording

For a rock album, if you're sure all the tracks have drums, for example, then put the drummer on all tracks - if you don't know, put them on the release :)