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      • reosarevok
        CatQuest: never heard :/
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      • yvanzo
        evelyn: good question, it does not seem to be answered by https://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Split_Artists
      • reosarevok
        We currently just delete split artists
      • Which kinda sucks
      • But we don't have a mechanism to say "this was split into X and Y"
      • yvanzo
        That mechanism could be a Split Artist edit type?
      • reosarevok
        It could, but that wouldn't really help resolve the MBID later
      • Or you mean you would somehow redirect the MBID to the edit itself?
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      • yvanzo
        Right, it would make the MBID redirect more complicated.
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      • reosarevok
        I'm not necessarily against at least keeping the MBID redirecting to the edit as in "this is the last we know of it", or in the WS to a page saying "this MBID was split into mbids X and Y and Z"
      • yvanzo
        We could either redirect to a page that lists artists out of the split (which may in turn list other splitted artists), or just redirect to the first artist (which would be the same as merging the splitted artist into it).
      • reosarevok
        It just seems like a fairly big schema change thing :) But we *did* want to stop removing those
      • I don't like the idea of redirecting to the first artist much, because that suggests that they're equivalent
      • yvanzo
        Agree.
      • reosarevok
        Having a page like "this was split into X Y Z" would be easier but require, I assume, a split_artist_gid_redirect table
      • original_gid split_gid (with one row per split_gid)
      • yvanzo
        It's indeed a big change because having MBIDs to redirect to actual entities is a strong basis everywhere, even outside the server itself.
      • reosarevok
        And for us to have the data :)
      • (which we don't for most historical splits probably...)
      • BrainzBot
        MBS-1123: No way to retrieve pre-NGS collaboration artists that have been split
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      • CatQuest
        oohhh
      • CatQuest is insterested in this split mbid redirection thing
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      • evelyn
        ah, interesting
      • thanks yvanzo reosarevok
      • I'll just delete it then, I guess it doesn't matter too much in this case as there aren't any relationships
      • I am now wondering if I could solicit for votes: https://musicbrainz.org/release/e7a3f1cd-8043-4...
      • I added the CD last week in anticipation of it arriving, but the track listing on discogs is completely wrong, and it actually has an additional 16 tracks :(
      • so, these edits add the tracks.
      • yvanzo
        evelyn: It is likely that the track listing from discogs did not come out of nowhere, I would suggest creating a separate release.
      • Lotheric
        according to the edit history on discogs, the tracklist came from the vinyl
      • evelyn
        it's a CDR produced on demand, though, by an obscure music by mail company in Harrogate
      • yvanzo
        So editing the track listing of the CD release seems legitimate, but changing the recordings and the tracklisting of the vinyl release isn’t.
      • evelyn
        but, I didn't change the tracklisting of the vinyl release
      • I edited the recording titles because the vinyl LP also has those exact titles
      • yvanzo
        No but you are changing the associated recordings: https://musicbrainz.org/release/2d41bbd6-1b8a-4...
      • evelyn
        yes , yes I know
      • but that is also the recording titles on the vinyl LP
      • (I'll add an edit note explaining that)
      • yvanzo
        So you have both the reissued CDR release and the original vinyl LP?
      • evelyn
        yes, I do
      • I bought the LP at a local shop, then I discovered there was a CD with new notes with improved sound quality, so I bought that - I added both of them to musicbrainz.
      • yvanzo
        Cool :)
      • evelyn: Please mention when you have a release at hand when writing edit notes, for example from https://musicbrainz.org/edit/75919104 I thought you checked an LP release on discogs.
      • evelyn
        sorry - yeah, that was not a good edit note. what I had meant was that I had the LP in front of me, and that I checked the credits against the ones in text on discogs. discogs also has an image of the back cover that people can see.
      • yvanzo
        Is it possible that there used to be an actual CD release with 17 tracks not 33?
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      • evelyn
        I don't think so, because the release was at the request of Seamus Tansey, who wrote the liner notes, and it says he wanted to add dialogue explaining the context of the release as well as the extra track. The other piece of context is that this was originally released on one of the folk music labels in the 70s, was then purchased by the people who made the CD
      • and they only produced a couple of CDs in very limited quantities
      • (all CDRs, sold in a single shop in Glasgow or by mail order)
      • I'm not sure how to vieww the editing history on discogs, but if the track listing came from the vinyl as lotheric says, it doesn't suggest that there was a 17 track CD
      • unfortunately, there are no images of the CD other than the front cover :(
      • Lotheric
      • you need to have a discogs account and be logged in
      • you should see "edit release" to the right side
      • evelyn
        ah, I see it now - thanks
      • Lotheric
        the edit history will be at the top
      • yvanzo
        Thanks, voted. FWIW, the short (17) tracks listing can still be added as separate pseudo-release if needed.
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      • evelyn
        thanks yvanzo for working through that with me, I really appreciate it
      • and thanks for the votes!
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      • CatQuest
        yvanzo: why would you want to add a short (17 track) release that *doesn't exist* as pseudo (or otherwize)
      • ?
      • I mean if later a 17 track cd release actually *does* materialise, it can be added then
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      • yvanzo
        Because it matches the tracklisting on the back cover and on Discogs (and probably elsewhere too), so even a pseudo-release is appropriate.
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      • reosarevok
        I would argue all that is appropriate is an annotation saying "the back cover has a 17 track tracklist but that doesn't match the reality on the CD"
      • yvanzo
        That won't help with searching for a 17 tracks pseudo-release which is listed on most other websites. One more: https://thesession.org/recordings/928
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      • reosarevok
        Yes, but it should help anyone searching by other data than the tracklist
      • A release would make sense if this version actually existed
      • CatQuest
        that
      • reosarevok
        If not, then having it, even as a pseudo, just helps propagate the meh info :)
      • CatQuest
        yes
      • pseudo is for tracklsits that ecists, but has transaltionned names
      • translationated
      • :D
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