#musicbrainz

Cheezmo_: I agree!

darwin has some rant about beatport's use of "original mux" I'm sure :D

The Bandcamp importer userscript strips it from track titles

mix not mux

But why would you think that a CD release would have a track name pulled from Beatport? Not familiar with the label, etc. but if that is a thing, I guess it is meaningless in this cases.

imo having (original mix) on a dj-mixed track is a bit odd

i gues it means they dj-mixed the original mix and not the (more commonly known?) other mixed one or something?

Cheezmo_: because James Zabiela created the mix from his music collection and then sent the titles to the label

ooohhhh

he's been DJ'ing digitally for years AFAIU

CatQuest: yeah, my brain doesnt like that though

CatQuest: I can find no references to any other mixes of that track

i guess it's some beatport track thing

^ well that kind of knowledge would be good for the edit comments, instead of just saying "original mix" should always be removed.

Cheezmo_: yes, fair comment

I agree there

funny thing. some 10 years ago we definitely always always removed "(original mix)" fro mtracks. also a lot of other kinds of eti, such as "album version" or "extended version" (depending on were it was)

now i tent to move these to disambiguiations

they do no harm there and can at best prevent wrong merges

speaking of which. this dj-mixed release should have some disambiguiation comments to that effoect

CatQuest: I was planning to add that after the edit went through

oh no. sorry

CatQuest: one of the tracks has been incorrectly linked to a non-djmixed recording

which is why I was waiting

oh, it's gone through

CatQuest: nevermind

I usually go on auto-pilot adding these. after some other releases I had edited where it turned otu that dj-mixed recording was merged int oregular ones. it was a real mess

exactly!

sorry, didn't realise the edit had been applied :)

yea i assumed you had already fixed these recordings :D sorry

thanks to chaban :D

thanks chaban, you're too efficient

Yes, that script is super useful

yes!

I always wondered how people added all those comments to recordings in dj mixes

chaban: i definitly definitly want that

i was thinking about if maybe this "set comments2 could be used to create one?

i poked reosarevok about it.. hmm I think he suggested asking loujine?

I was thinking about that too but I'm too much of a javascript noob

loujine is the userscript hero. togther with jesus2099

I'll have a look, no promises

:o

we got another userscripthero here \o/

no promises :D

I still remember how you fixed discogs import script

ROpdebee is a JS guru. His image dimensions userscript made me irrationally angry because it was very elegant but I didn't understand it.

I need to get you using BookBrainz, then i can get fixes there too

ooohhh?

He did some really clever stuff where it only loads the images when they appear on your screen

Using promises and some APIs I'd never heard of :)

hm it probably wouldn't evne work on my old machine/browser :( well

Sorry, s/he/they

Making bad assumptions therer

ack why does toast titanioum hand indefinitly all of a sudden.. anyone know of whre to look for error logs on mac os?

pronouns are correct

yea. it too ksome time for me to learn the "they" thing. but i's become usual for me now. I still sometimes slip up (I use "the guy" or "the dude" but)

ROpdebee: thanks

ROpdebee: hi! cna i interest you in a BookBrainz?

ah. atj in the comotion, I think you forgot to copy over tracknames to recordings, eg https://beta.musicbrainz.org/recording/ebe74cb2...

wait I am stupid,it wasn't an autoedit

atj: I possibly would leave it if it's on the cover - I would remove it if every track said (original mix) but I kinda assume they would not print it on one and only one?

But I didn't read the full convo, so maybe you explained it :D

I would certainly drop it from beatport albums

reosarevok: my hypothesis is that it actually originated from Beatport as James Zabiela sourced the track from there

reosarevok: apparently the person doing the dj-mix just used some beatport mix and sent the names fo the recordings used to theri cd-creator

Hmm

CatQuest: that's just my hypothesis

In that case, I'd abstain on that change :)

or what atj said

Seems like it's going to pass anyway, so I don't need to though :D

the first thing "original mix" made me think of was indeed beatport so i don't think you're that off. maybe we cna ask the person?

I honestly don't think the DJ really worried about the track titles, he just sent if off when he finished the mix

and they just came from the track metadata

maybe we can ask him?

wouldn't hurt

I guess I could try

👍

He'll probably think I'm insane asking such an inane question

nah, they get asked all kinds of things.

you'll never know what artists and the ilk will reply.

"Complete Sonatas and Works"

Is that "Complete Sonatas and Other Works" or "Complete Sonatas and a Bunch of Works"

I'd say the former

I'd kinda expect so too, but I'm not sure!

I mean, as a non-purchaser it's kinda irrelevant

But it's weirdly ambiguous

reosarevok: as a native english speaker it would be quite weird if it wasn't the former

no context though

I guess it's meant to be "Complete Works for Violin and Piano, Including All the Sonatas"

Looking at the contents

CatQuest> "nah, they get asked all kinds of things." I once sent an email to a random DJ to ask something about an artist they had one release with, so can confirm

Cheezmo_: apologies if I was a bit of an arse during our discussion, I'm a bit tired and irritable today I think

atj: rrrrrr pet pet

CatQuest: reminds me of this edit https://musicbrainz.org/edit/72710793

atj: cool!

yeah, props to bflaminio for that

yea

I honestly never even considered just emailing the artist

I once asked an artist regarding some old P2P sourced release: https://musicbrainz.org/edit/67598988

chaban: emailing the artist telling them someone downloaded their music from eDonkey :)

more than a decade ago :D

atj: I could make the same apology ;-) I've been fixing LFE delay on 5.1 mixes all morning and need a break!

<3 this community

I don't think so, you were reasonable throughout IMO :)

LFE = Low Frequence Effects ?

*Frequency

Yeah. There is a thread on the quadrophonic quad forum about how almost all 5.1 mixes on DVD Audio/SACD have the .1 channel delayed by 4ms and more due to the delay introduced by low pass filters not being compensated for. Sometimes the delay is such that it actually causes the bass to cancel out and be reduced!

Interesting. So when the individual tracks are split out, the LPF causes a Nms delay to the signal and this isn't compensated for?

Seems odd that an LPF would cause such a big delay

I am reminded about how there was this thing that "hi-fidelity" equpment that was "so good" it sent out sounds that were inaudible to the hmna ear (but the infra/ultrasound *did* interference with the audible wavelenghts so there had to be modified stuff)

Most engineers (as is recommended) send the LFE channel through a low pass filter (no sense sending high frequencies to a subwoofer). When the tracks are reassembled that should be compensated for if it introduced delay. I think modern software accounts for it but back during the DVD-Audio/SACD age, it was something an engineer would have to account for.

So the delay was introduced by the LPF when the final mix was made?

The LFE is typically derived from the other channels so yeah, when that is being done.

Can read about it here if interested... https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/threads...

Sounds interesting but requires a login unfortunately.

Sorry, didn't know it wasn't public.

I guess they used digital LPFs? Would you expect Nms delay with analogue filters?

Not sure. Actually I would have thought equally likely with analog.

I may be completely wrong, but isn't an LPF quite simple? :)

CatQuest: when you look into audio phasing and stuff like that it's crazy complex

I'm reading up on it on Wikipedia and there are mathematical symbols I haven't seen in decades.

lol

hahaha

I mean there are cutoff frequencies/slope, etc. and I'm sure the various choices made result in the various delays.

I don't know enough to have a strong opinion, I was just under the impression that LPF/HPFs were some of the simplest audio effects