or... i could just run steam on my existing desktop computer rather than getting an extra one that I can't use for other apps?
CallerNo6
when SteamOS makes it into the annual 'linux sucks' presentation, then I'll know it has arrived
Leo_Verto
kepstin-laptop, ofc you could, some people just want to buy a complete console
kepstin-laptop
sure, but that means i'm not the target market of steam machines
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Mineo
Leo_Verto: that implies you're willing to think about where you run your games if you already have a pc that's capable of running steam
kepstin-laptop is apparently nobody because of that :)
and I don't think the hardcore gamers will simply still assemble their own pc because they'll be upgrading it all the time anyways
Leo_Verto
kepstin-laptop, nope, you still benefit from them because everything that runs on SteamOS also runs on steam for linux :D
Mineo
s/don't//
Leo_Verto
ofc the hardcore gamers and people like me and you will continue building their own PCs, but a linux distro will actually become a legit option for them
a lot of people don't switch because of one or two games
with publishers and devs being interested in the steam machine market, more and more games will be ported
kepstin-laptop actually already has two systems with a kvm switch, a windows box for gaming and a linux box for real work.
Mineo
Leo_Verto: so now you have a few more gamers on linux, how does that make windows die relatively soon?
Leo_Verto
Linux as a platform is going to become more attractive in general
reosarevok
Yeah, it might make Linux as a platform as big as OSX :p
Leo_Verto
And honestly, Windows is only the most used desktop OS because it came first
derwin
macos predates windows
windows is the most used desktop because bill gates got it bundled with generic pcs
and apple wanted hardware market share
Leo_Verto
mhm, the IBM deal
Mineo
I'm still with kepstin-laptop there, the linux userspace is not as great as many people say it is (not only regarding security)
Leo_Verto
still a whole lot better than the proprietary, insecure mess windows is
kepstin-laptop
i mean, i love my linux desktop systems. But i'm a software developer, somewhat involved in the creation and setup of said systems
security holes are being found and patched *all the time* in linux stuff
Mineo
Leo_Verto: my parents don't care if linux is supposedly more secure
kepstin-laptop
an unupdated linux system from a couple years ago might as well be windows xp
most embedded linux systems and linux phones (e.g. android) receive security updates either late or never
Leo_Verto
closed source means that there still are tons of exploitable issues slumbering deep inside windows
mhm, stuff like heartbleed and shellshock?
Mineo
it also means that not everyone can just look at the source to find them :P
kepstin-laptop
same is true of linux, just because something is open-source doesn't mean there's no security holes still in there
most of them are just called "bugs" tho
reosarevok will believe on linux-on-the-desktop when big companies sell Linux laptops that autoupdate to middle-aged, non-tech people and they don't complain about it :p
reosarevok: ever heard of something called a "chromebook"?
Leo_Verto
Mineo, people who want to exploit something are going to find holes either way
Mineo
reosarevok: if you wait until you're middle-aged, that might actually happen :P
reosarevok
kepstin-laptop: did anyone buy those? :p
kepstin-laptop
reosarevok: apparently.
Leo_Verto
security by obscurity is an outdated concept
kepstin-laptop
the unfortunate thing is that a lot of linux stuff isn't really secure, but is only considered so because it is obscure.
STalKer-X
whom do i enter as artist, when there is a composer and a performer? :D
Leo_Verto
performer
kepstin-laptop
the artist credit should be the credited artist, and link the composer and performer with composer and performer relations.
reosarevok
STalKer-X: classical?
CallerNo6
if you're talking about track artists on classical, theatre or soundtracks, there are more specific guidelines
reosarevok
Unrelated to all of it, but Peter Warlock is a pretty cool name to have
if "echoes of the underworld" is a series title, then you'd put that first.
I'm not sure what to do with "ambient relaxation".
CatQuest
yes there is wine. but it seems like such a cludge to use wine to run a win8 optimised Dosbox version of a dos game when I could have just run it in osx native dosbox :P
CallerNo6
maybe it ("ambient relaxation") is merely descriptive, and not part of the title, like e.g. "as seen on TV"
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STalKer-X
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hibiscuskazeneko
:B
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Freso
CatQuest: "most games on gog i want/have are old enoug to work in dosbox, but the install thing is only for new windows machines" — Lutris, for Linux, have a lot of these installing to Linux-native DOSBox. That's how I'm running SW: Dark Forces.
Of course, that doesn't help for Mac OS users. :)
CatQuest
I wish just the original install thingy was an option