#musicbrainz

hi there. I have 2 questions.

1. on a recording, I have a "haunte-contr" singer. French word. What would be the right vocal attribute in MB ? (I'm not sure "contralto" is appropriate, since wikipedia has 2 different articles for them).

2. I'm converting http://musicbrainz.org/release/c3ecc897-2007-46... by first adding AR to the recordings. At the moment, they're cleanly in the recording title (example : "Ave verum corpus, K. 618 (feat. London Classical Players, Schutz Choir of London, Roger Norrington)"), so does someone know some greasmonkey script or other magical stuuf th automate this chore a bit ?

*haute-contre, sorry

good night :3

Hibiscus, in case you're reading logs: and that is exactly the point of those examples in the first place.

[[mll]]: I think there was some discussion at one point concluding that we don't have a 1:1 attribute for haute-contra singers.

*vocalists

ok. so that's sometinh that MB lacks ? should-I add my +1 on a ticket ?

Possibly.

I'm not sure if it ended up on a ticket or not or how to proceed with it.

oh hello

[[mll]]: what's the recording (on which you have an haute-contre)?

perhaps a better question might be "who is the singer"?

the best translation into english with no extra information is "counter-tenor", but in the last 10 years or so some performers have been singing haute-contre parts with (english) tenor voices

it would be hard to describe Paul Agnew, for example, as a "counter-tenor", even though he's clearly an "haute-contre"

Krystof : In my case : http://musicbrainz.org/recording/bbc1a14e-791d-...

I would describe Gerard Lesne as a counter-tenor in English

(also: I love that recording :)

French wikipedia clearly states "haute-contre" is obsolete : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute-contre

(that track on your recording is probably the same recording as one of these --http://musicbrainz.org/release/0d03dedd-5af7-4315-97ff-da9c2eb7c340 )

um, it's obsolete in the same way that the music itself is obsolete

we still have Roman roads even though the Romans are "obsolete"

it can't be obsolete to describe people's voices as haute-contre, because people and companies in the published record actually do do so

Actually thet talk about an anachronisme : "Bien que s'apparentant � la tessiture d'un t�nor aigu, ranger les hautes-contre dans cette cat�gorie constitue un anachronisme, tout comme qualifier de haute-contre un chanteur moderne"

well, I guess haute-contres should be mentioned as tenor vocals

why do you guess that?

I think that Gerard Lesne is a falsettist (so not a tenor)

"The haute-contre (plural hautes-contre) is a rare type of high tenor voice" source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute-contre

sure, but that describes the "anachronistic" description

and as mentioned above, franch WP talks about a "t�nor aigu" (hig-pitched tenor)

sure. But you have something that "doesn't exist": a modern haute-contre

so what's your take ?

(I disagree with the premise that you're starting with :-)

and btw, why does your release have no AR to Lesne ?

my preference in order: describe it as "haute-contre vocals" (because that's what written on the disc)

describe it as "counter-tenor vocals" (because that's Lesne's vocal production type)

describe it as "tenor vocals" (because that's what is arguably suggested by Wikipedia)

(the Wikipedia-based "tenor" choice is a distant third)

[[mll]]: probably because I typed it in before ARs existed in musicbrainz

actually, no, it wasn't me :)

ok, I'll do it and merche the recordings

*merge

cool. Thanks!

is counter-tenor higher than a tenor ?

yes as per WP

Krystof : http://musicbrainz.org/edit/27230156

LGTM

Freso: hi, i already fixed the // for decoda.com a little whle ago

is there some kind of index of MBz-related userscripts?

There used to be http://userscripts.org/tags/musicbrainz

But since userscripts.org suddenly decided that fuck that, we'll break all those links, no, I don't think there's anything now

:(

Oh

Better than nothing... http://web.archive.org/web/20131103143323/http:...

(from last November, but)

Fascinatingly, they still use these links on their own pages.

that cat looks almost as annoyed about the whole thing as i am

(i look like this: ⱺ⃕_̍ⱺ⃔ )

You can of course search: https://userscripts.org/scripts/search?q=musicb...

Heh

I guess

It does include some irrelevant stuff, and probably misses some relevant stuff

But it probably has most stuff

http://userscripts.org/tags/musicbrainz doesn’t work for people? I have had 0 problems with it

i get 'server error'

what browser?

ff

that’s what I use…

and the page loads just fine

20.0 for ubuntu

hmm… it’s broken in opera

Has been broken in Chrome for ages

oh, maybe it requires you to be logged in

I logged out and it broke

yeah, logged back in and it works again

hm, that at least makes sense

how so?

that it's not a browser issue (server error is a weird result for that) and that the links are still used

doesn’t make sense for me for it to break when user is not logged in though :)

only 17 import scripts for mbz and half of them are obsolete :I

haha

Just how many places do you want to import from anyway?

In my experience iTunes + Bandcamp + Discogs covers most stuff - I guess if you do Japanese stuff maybe not though

the correct question is 'just how much do you hate typing things?'

haha

discogs will help, the other stuff not so much

vgmdb would help a lot

Hmm

I'm surprised nobody made that one really

i also kind of want a framework to help import from artist websites

http://www.songstowearpantsto.com/ , http://dempa.init5.net/music/ , http://www.altusmusic.ca/discography.html

and maybe some kind of translation/transliteration helpers

Automatic MB-integrated google translate :D

oh god :D

ooh… CAA might be showing some signs of life… fingers crossed

fully-automated translation still absorbing the breath of round buttocks

but machine-assisted translation is really helpful

reosarevok: https://userscripts.org/tags/musicbrainz works for me...

In Chrome?

Oh

Yeah

You're logged in I assume

We found that was the issue, in the end :p

:p

In Firefox, and yes, I'm logged in. :p

So, there

I wonder if they somehow didn't notice it's been broken for non-logged-in users for months, or they just don't care