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To me it’s like “great, where are the answers to these questions”

Well, it's either that or in the TOC

Yeah, but that makes the TOC a mile wide and a mile long

There should be a place to quickly check the questions without having to find them in between the text

So either you do it on the TOC and use it as a "shortcut", or you do this, really

zas_, bitmap: someone's reporting in -users that Picard has issues loading releases where some cover art has no type set

Is that known?

I’m more put off by the TOC now being on the left side… it took less space on the right side (but I wasn’t here the whole time and maybe somebody didn’t like it there :))

SultS: how’d it take less space on the right side?

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=Edi... it didn’t push things down

reosarevok: it's possibly fixed by https://github.com/musicbrainz/picard/commit/83... ? not sure

Ah. yeah, I like that one.

SultS: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=Edi... is our starting point though

oh god :D

hmm, looks like my Character artist type RFV passed.

SultS: yeah. That’s what I was trying to fix. :-)

well, maybe now it’s ok to move back to the right side then :)

I don’t get why the TOC is so indented… :-/

Anyway, here it is on the right…

certainly an improvement

That’s what I thought. It feels to me like the answers are so short that you’re basically scanning a list of questions anyway, so there isn't much benefit to the TOC

beyond maybe very general topics

reosarevok: do you might if I remove the collapsible headings?

collapsing one line of text seems weird as well

If the 'expand' were right next to the heading it might work, but it’s way off on the side. :-/

Most of the answers are quite longer than one line, heh

(which is probably why they're so bad, on the other hand)

But yeah, feel free, the page is going to be very similarly useless with and without expanding headers :p

hehe

SultS: I changed the tone a bit away from that Q/A format.

(in that now the questions don’t refer back to the previous answers)

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Except for “OK, so that's what we're supposed to do, now how do I do it”

No idea what to do with that Q/A

that question makes no sense looking at the previous answer

what to do after reading about how to vote?

use picard

afaik Picard doesn’t allow voting

btw, in my browser when there were lines between the questions, I saw less empty space than now

That one kinda references the whole previous FAQ which goes over the general concept of editing.

Is the empty space good or bad?

[19:22] <warp> dolphinling: right, but where do the releases go which are NOT official and NOT bootleg? what are they?

ooother??

it’s inefficient use of space, so bad

hmm

SultS: well, it can be good if it helps separate the questions.

But I just cleaned up some extra whitespace.

SultS: the lines are an eyesore though

If we can do it without lines but with less whitespace that'd be good :p

the lines separated the questions before

I think the lines are OK.

doesn’t have to be lines, just less wasted space :P

with less space, it should be still obvious where one question ends and another starts

The lines are OK if we want people to run away from the page

Which as nikki said, might be the best thing with the current content, but :p

yea I wouldn't expect the contence to be to the right

OK, so that's what we're supposed to do, now how do I do it?

The first thing to do is to download the MusicBrainz Picard Tagger. "

yep that's broken

"Browse though the releases to see if you find obvious mistakes: releases listed twice, "

that should probably NOt be in there, considering that we have duplicates for releasedates and such now

also "releases with missing tracks,"

this is why we get noobs adding "missing" bonus tracks to old releases

it should probably say "missing releases /singles" links to composers/writers/performers (link to explain hw to ad ars)

and like "urls"

and "If you submit a CD and the Disc ID is not found, and the server says that a matching title exists, but the track counts don't match, you may have found an error."

it's much more likly that the person is seeign a release with less tracks rather than an error release

also to remove all talk of freedb imports

and not just talk about cd's but include vinyl/caassette

etc

Yes. Select all releases of a given type (e.g. "Live, Official") via the check-boxes, then enter a "Batch Operation" applying the appropriate release attributes to all selected releases."

man I miss batch operation

man this faq is old

It is, because it's horrible and nobody wanted to touch it :p

what we *need* to do is have a brainstorm and talk about what *actual* frequently asked questions are there

and answer them. wile the entire thing and start a new

(or put it in glorius history9

aah this movie is good, the cat came back, don't we have a server named baron?

We do

i always thought the big white cat is baron but he is muta

“I understand editing. What do I do next?” that seems better than “So that’s what we’re supposed to do”

good hawke ,that's a start

but now I need to go to bed if I am to do all the things I need to do tomorrow

soon this nightmare is at an end and everything will be normal again

I don’t like that “How do I know if a release is wrong” question.

Actually that whole section kinda sucks

There, I think the FAQ is now free of completely obsolete or wrong advice.

You mean you removed it?

:)

hah

No.

I think it’s pretty good now, actually. Care to review?

Still could use some stuff about recordings and relationships, but…

heh

"Look up your favorite artist and see if their name is spelled correctly"

I know that probably was there before, but :p

"Look up your favorite artist and see if the info is correct and nothing is missing" maybe? :p

It was. Heh, I suppose we have a lot more than name now, don’t we.

Hmm, I should add something about subscriptions there too.

Some of those obvious mistakes don’t seem all that common. Can’t think of when I’ve seen a release with tracks listed twice.

I have (a duplicate medium :p)

But yeah

They're mistakes for a different age

what are 'common' mistakes? Missing label/barcode I know is one.

An age of automatic freedb imports, probably :p

yep. :-D

Missing label/barcode, feat. in titles, wrong caps (although I'm not sure I want to say that or they'd "fix" non-English ones...)

And of course works and relationships and whatever if they're feeling like it

Yeah, I don’t quite feel like tackling relationships. :-D

But I guess saying 'add the complete credits' won’t hurt.

Well, link to How to Use the Relationship Editor and that's it :p

oh, we have one of those? ;-)

bitmap wrote it

(he was going to put pictures in it but he never did :p)

Well, good call for linking to that.

hawke: What's to grumble about?

there was talk about extending it to Korean a while back

but the proposed guidelines were never implements

implemented*

HibiscusKazeneko: The silly “all caps is always allowed” thing.

It's not silly; it's artist intent

Not always.

Well, it's supposed to be done if other places like websites etc agree with it, right? In which case it does sound like intent

I agree with being more lenient on artist intent but not a blanket “It’s japanese so it’s obviously artist intent”

right, mostly; there are cases where graphic design on cover art can trip up a reader

I run into it a lot

it's not really about artist intent, the japanese just use the latin script differently.

true

I have a few releases where websites list titles in all caps but the cover art does not

compare to https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALFEE_GET_REQUESTS

http://www.universal-music.co.jp/the-alfee/disc... omits the exclamation point

also note the inconsistency between the cover art and listing for the "Singles History" releases on http://www.universal-music.co.jp/the-alfee/disc...

Yep.

To me that seems essentially the same as releases anywhere else.

Not seeing the extreme consistency. :-)

They do tend to be fairly consistent with the cover art