last week I reviewed a bunch of Picard PRs, we have planned a release this week
2022-05-02 12220, 2022
Freso
(Only reosarevok, CatQuest, and myself left for reviews. Last call for anyone else who wish to give review!)
2022-05-02 12258, 2022
zas
apart that I investigated a warning we get about an NVME drive on trille, and decided to ask Hetzner to replace it
2022-05-02 12234, 2022
zas
It will happen on Thursday, this week, 16:00 CEST so we need to ensure the server is ready for shutdown before that
2022-05-02 12252, 2022
alastairp
š it's in my calendar
2022-05-02 12208, 2022
zas
plus usual supervision, upgrades, user support. fin. reosarevok ?
2022-05-02 12210, 2022
TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/IRC for details | Agenda: Reviews, Telegram-bridge and #musicbrainz (catquest (jwflory)), Securing MeB infrastructure - part 3
2022-05-02 12218, 2022
reosarevok
Hi!
2022-05-02 12249, 2022
reosarevok
This week I mostly worked on some schema change upgrades, and on an official React paste a date implementation
2022-05-02 12210, 2022
reosarevok
I also saw my first wild moose, which was neat
2022-05-02 12224, 2022
reosarevok
(bring back MoosicBrainz)
2022-05-02 12228, 2022
aerozol
Moose!
2022-05-02 12230, 2022
CatQuest
paste a date \o
2022-05-02 12235, 2022
CatQuest
paste a date \o/
2022-05-02 12259, 2022
reosarevok
This week I expect to keep concentrating on schema change stuff mostly :)
2022-05-02 12221, 2022
reosarevok
CatQuest: what about you?
2022-05-02 12228, 2022
CatQuest
Meow! `šŗ`
2022-05-02 12234, 2022
CatQuest
Not much this week, it went by doing misc stuff too fast
2022-05-02 12240, 2022
CatQuest
including Valborgsaften!
2022-05-02 12244, 2022
CatQuest
In that vein, Happy 1st May everyone! ā
2022-05-02 12206, 2022
CatQuest
this week I'll be continuing doing stuff, been editing more lately
2022-05-02 12219, 2022
CatQuest
fin, go Freso !
2022-05-02 12228, 2022
Freso
š
2022-05-02 12219, 2022
Freso
aerozol provided a new graphic for the forum, which I added. Other than that, the usual dealing with reports, flags, being around/about.
2022-05-02 12204, 2022
Freso
fin.
2022-05-02 12219, 2022
Freso
And that wraps up reviews. Thank you all for yours. :)
2022-05-02 12234, 2022
Freso
catquest (jwflory): Telegram-bridge and #musicbrainz
2022-05-02 12237, 2022
aerozol
Thanks Freso!
2022-05-02 12241, 2022
CatQuest
hi!
2022-05-02 12247, 2022
CatQuest
so, as some you might be aware, we have a telegram bridge in #musicbrainz-telegram
2022-05-02 12200, 2022
CatQuest
it was placed there instead of in #musicbrainz/#metabrainz, because there was an issue with [off]
2022-05-02 12209, 2022
CatQuest
I've learned that this issue is no longer! this feature is avail upstream
2022-05-02 12217, 2022
CatQuest
I've spoken with jwflory the maintainer of the bridge and they have said that they are happy to update the config to point to a different channel. They've also expressed the need to voice the tg-bridge bot and such, to prevent it getting banned.
so iwas wondering, what needs to be done/discuss how to enable this for us?
2022-05-02 12249, 2022
reosarevok
Freso: what do you feel about that?
2022-05-02 12255, 2022
Freso
I can do the +voice for it. I donāt recall any other objections to it, so itād be fine for me, at least as a test at first, and if no one complains, we can have it be more permanent.
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
reosarevok
You know IRC better than most
2022-05-02 12206, 2022
reosarevok
+1 for me in that case
2022-05-02 12247, 2022
atj
does it do any stupid stuff like matrix when writing messages longer than the IRC limit, or posting images etc?
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
Freso
If no one else have any objections, letās go ahead with that.
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
CatQuest
well...
2022-05-02 12201, 2022
alastairp
how many active people are in the telegram channel that are unable to use something like matrix?
2022-05-02 12213, 2022
alastairp
(I note that there have been about 3 things said in the channel in 2022)
2022-05-02 12217, 2022
Freso
atj: Not that I can recall, but join #musicbrainz-telegram and try it out?
2022-05-02 12231, 2022
CatQuest
so it seems it's not gonig ot be too annoying for users in mb i guess?
2022-05-02 12247, 2022
reosarevok
I think it might be more active if we actually join it to channels we actually use :)
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
CatQuest
my thoguhts exactly
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
Freso
alastairp: I think part of the lack of activity is also people just being in the (tg) channel but not writing, which might be more active once they get the traffic from #musicbrainz :)
2022-05-02 12257, 2022
alastairp
yeah, perhaps
2022-05-02 12200, 2022
reosarevok
So happy to test it and keep it unless it does annoying stuff
2022-05-02 12209, 2022
aerozol
Might be a chicken and egg thing - more might use it if hooked in?
2022-05-02 12216, 2022
atj
can we have a probation period of 4 weeks or something?
2022-05-02 12221, 2022
Freso
Which is why I say we go for a "live test" run and see what happens.
2022-05-02 12223, 2022
atj
and then discuss it again
2022-05-02 12225, 2022
CatQuest
not a bad idea
2022-05-02 12233, 2022
reosarevok
I expect disconnecting it if it's annoying is just unvoicing a user?
2022-05-02 12238, 2022
CatQuest
yea
2022-05-02 12248, 2022
reosarevok
If so, 4 weeks sounds good to me
2022-05-02 12251, 2022
Freso
reosarevok: Well, at worst case kickbanning it, but yeah.
2022-05-02 12209, 2022
Freso
The voicing is more preventing the network from kicking it off, not from keeping it out of the channel.
2022-05-02 12231, 2022
CatQuest
yes
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
reosarevok
Seems like we have a decision
2022-05-02 12200, 2022
Freso
(And tools like ozone for example are a lot more lenient with voiced users than non-voiced ones too.)
2022-05-02 12210, 2022
reosarevok
Freso, maybe you can help making it happen then? :) No huge rush I guess
2022-05-02 12228, 2022
CatQuest
yea
2022-05-02 12234, 2022
CatQuest
deff not a rush
2022-05-02 12234, 2022
Freso
Yeah, Iāll talk with jwf about it.
2022-05-02 12241, 2022
CatQuest
:D
2022-05-02 12248, 2022
Freso
fin?
2022-05-02 12210, 2022
CatQuest
nothing more from me
2022-05-02 12211, 2022
Freso
I think thatās fin anyway, soā¦
2022-05-02 12217, 2022
CatQuest
\o/
2022-05-02 12227, 2022
Freso
lucifer, zas, et al: Securing MeB infrastructure - part 3
2022-05-02 12228, 2022
reosarevok
yvanzo is not around, should we keep the security stuff for a day he is?
2022-05-02 12241, 2022
atj
yes
2022-05-02 12243, 2022
lucifer
yup makes sense to do it another day
2022-05-02 12253, 2022
Freso
Could be we just arrange for another security meeting tomorrow at regular meeting timeā¦ā¦ :)
2022-05-02 12225, 2022
Freso
(If yvanzo can make it then.)
2022-05-02 12233, 2022
reosarevok
yvanzo is supposed to be around tomorrow
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
reosarevok
Looking at schema change stuff, but maybe we have time for both? :)
2022-05-02 12209, 2022
reosarevok
So we could schedule and if he asks to postpone we do
2022-05-02 12237, 2022
Freso
Or if nothingās urgent, we can just push it to next week?
2022-05-02 12255, 2022
Freso
Seems like thatās less moving pieces.
2022-05-02 12226, 2022
lucifer
next week sounds good then.
2022-05-02 12228, 2022
atj
let's just go with next week rather than splitting yvanzo's time tomorrow
2022-05-02 12258, 2022
reosarevok
Ok :)
2022-05-02 12203, 2022
alastairp
next week is getting even closer to schema release - do we see anything urgent on the doc that should be discussed before the 15th?
2022-05-02 12231, 2022
alastairp
(unless MB team are happy to do it next week)
2022-05-02 12233, 2022
reosarevok
I'd say if it fits in next week's meeting, let's talk, if not let's decide next week when to do it
2022-05-02 12239, 2022
reosarevok
(probably after SC)
2022-05-02 12240, 2022
lucifer
only incident response section is left.
2022-05-02 12257, 2022
reosarevok
So, let's see how long next meeting is? :)
2022-05-02 12203, 2022
lucifer
+1
2022-05-02 12245, 2022
Freso
Ugh. _Now_ the delivery person came.
2022-05-02 12247, 2022
Freso
Anyway.
2022-05-02 12201, 2022
Freso
Seems like weāve agreed to postpone to next meeting, so letās do that.
2022-05-02 12218, 2022
TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/IRC for details | Agenda: Reviews, Securing MeB infrastructure - part 3
2022-05-02 12232, 2022
alastairp
uh, btw - did we miss bitmap from reviews?
2022-05-02 12247, 2022
mayhem
no, he's not around this week
2022-05-02 12258, 2022
alastairp
ah, cool
2022-05-02 12205, 2022
Freso
Which then concludes this meeting. Thank you all for your time. Stay safe out there and wear your masks! :)
2022-05-02 12211, 2022
Freso
</BANG>
2022-05-02 12230, 2022
mayhem
I am that freak who continues to wear masks in confined spaces
2022-05-02 12233, 2022
atj
try telling that to most people here :/
2022-05-02 12236, 2022
alastairp
mayhem: got a moment to talk about cache tables/batch updater?
2022-05-02 12245, 2022
CatQuest
mayhem: same
2022-05-02 12248, 2022
CatQuest
but: mask
2022-05-02 12251, 2022
CatQuest
mus*
2022-05-02 12251, 2022
aerozol
NZ is good about wearing masks still
2022-05-02 12253, 2022
CatQuest
fff
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
CatQuest
bus: mask
2022-05-02 12204, 2022
Freso
mayhem: Same. (Also in non-confined spaces, since I donāt want to fiddle with taking it on and off.)
Mayhem, lucifer: had two thoughts! Wonder if there's appetite for a case study on your road to recommendations/playlists once your done? As a blog post. By digging through chat logs and/or taking to you
2022-05-02 12200, 2022
mayhem
what would a case study do here?
2022-05-02 12202, 2022
alastairp
this log format threw me a bit - it's not saying that 100k/104k = 1.4%, right? instead it's saying that it processed 104k rows, turn that into 100k inserts, and that's 1.4% of the 7.7m rows that it selected?
2022-05-02 12206, 2022
aerozol
The other thought, much more fun: Can we please have visualizers for listenbrainz haha. Bring back skins!!
2022-05-02 12224, 2022
lucifer
mayhem sure has been working on that for far longer so he can assist better then but happy to help as much as i can :)
2022-05-02 12227, 2022
aerozol
I think a lot of people would be interested in reading it
2022-05-02 12218, 2022
mayhem
alastairp: yeah, I suppose that the # of inserted rows could be moved to be the last column and that would more clear, I think.
2022-05-02 12222, 2022
aerozol
Are people aware that MB is doing stuff like this? It seems like you're drawing on and maybe creating some pretty leading edge stuff
2022-05-02 12247, 2022
lucifer
visualizers like the windows media player ones?
2022-05-02 12251, 2022
aerozol
Yes!!
2022-05-02 12205, 2022
mayhem
however, we are doing a few things that no one else is doing -- transparency in recommendations.
I've watched you both do some things that didn't work and then some little things that did - really interested in that stuff
2022-05-02 12237, 2022
mayhem
what does a case study attempt to do/solve?
2022-05-02 12251, 2022
aerozol
This is my marketing/comms hat
2022-05-02 12214, 2022
aerozol
If awareness of MB helps you, then this helps. For users or orgs
2022-05-02 12226, 2022
aerozol
If not, then it doesn't :p
2022-05-02 12227, 2022
mayhem
aerozol: well, a lot of times it is trowing things are the wall to see what sticks. lucifer and I are understanding more as we go, but this is somewhat opaque stuff we're working on.
2022-05-02 12229, 2022
alastairp
the mb_metadata_cache inserter requires that there is a canonical_release_redirect table in the musicbrainz database to join against, so is there a recommended way to make this happen other than manually editing config.py to remove the timescale connect string temporarily while we run this, and then adding it back?
2022-05-02 12201, 2022
mayhem
alastairp: that is the only mechanism for controlling the destination of the tables right now.
2022-05-02 12247, 2022
aerozol
Maybe 'blog post' is less annoying sounding than 'case study' and I should have said that :D
2022-05-02 12248, 2022
alastairp
ok
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
mayhem
it would be nice to have an extra layer where config.py just specified valid connection strings and some config that explicitly directs tables to be written in one of two (or both!) places.
