#metabrainz

you can't have free flow conversations.

you need to always create a thread.

Ugh

aerozol, lucifer: About the Discord bridge, please make the shutdown button accessible to the whole team in case of emergency since some people are worried about it. :)

which might just be a dealbreaker for us.

Isn't that what the forum is for?

they did mention that they might add a irc mode in future though.

Isn’t #metabrainz a very long thread?

yes that is what they suggest.

create one thread pin it and just keep using it.

maybe our communication style will evolve over time

As long as when someone joins the thread they don't automatically start at the first message.

where are those bridges hosted?

zas: i hosted them locally for test, i'll coordinate with you before i deploy on prod.

does anyone want to try rocket.chat?

it might allow both free flow and threads.

if not too hard to setup...

but i have never used it myself just met a mentor at the gsoc summit.

okay cool, i'll look into it too.

We could also self-host our own IRC bouncer such as thelounge.chat as an alternative to IRCCloud.

indeed but i think just hearing IRC scares a lot of new contributors.

so a bridge to somewhere else would be nice.

+1 to that

> indeed but i think just hearing IRC scares a lot of new contributors.

Good. (?)

if we have 90% of users on "alternative" it will have to be very reliable

not necessarily reosarevok, i was told it by a very skilled student even today

lucifer: I was mostly kidding :)

reosarevok: yes, it is clearly becoming a detriment.

I do worry that we’ll move to a only slightly less annoying/off-putting service. But that’s where the bridge comes in. I totally get that we want a bit of a barrier for #metabrainz though

ah okay lol.

i personally love IRC but then i have IRCCloud.

I do wonder how someone who cannot cope with IRC can cope with dev

But still :)

yes lets move on.

For non-dev MB user talk, it seems at least a no brainer

ok, summit talk time.

i'll setup bridges and notify everyone so that they can test.

Ok, final topic

we spent $17,783.35 on our summits last year. $1000 was the delhi summit, not including my airfare.

In which mayhem tries to convince us that it'll be cheap and good to go to India

about $2k-$3k more than we would normally spend, but ok, not that a bad expense.

lucifer and I both did some estimates to see how much it would cost to do the summit in delhi.

we'd spent more in air fare, but less in hosting and if we hire a cook for the whole week, far less money while eating really well.

My estimate might be $3k-$5k higher, lucifer thinks we might save money.

either way, I think we can swing it since I think I can find some sponsors.

oh, speaking of with, for those of you who remember navap... he's officially down with sponsoring one person to go the summit for $1000.

That's generous

we are considering the following dates: week of sept 23 or sept 30.

we'll stick to those times because festivals in india or the gsoc summit.

I don’t know if I can take another week off this year, but.... India.... hot damn

weather will still be hot high 34C, lows 25C.

aerozol: should be much easier travel for you!

What's air quality at that time and does the fee cover lung cleaning? :p

But the food angle does look promising

air quality will be decent-ish.

the plan is to have all of arrive at pretty much the same time, but leave people to spent extra time to visit more of india.

Having only done MeB summits in Barcelona myself, I'm definitely down

it deteriorates usually mid-end of oct.

reosarevok: You can manage one week with an oxygen mask if needed ;)

so, for next week, I'd like people to do two things: 1. Let me know if you want to go. 2. Which week you would prefer.

the air wasn't that bad in the end.

A really great opportunity to meet some more of our India-based team in person too!

I wore a mask twice for a couple of hours.

ok, time is up. lets pick this up next week.

I was just joking, didn’t think it would be needed at all.

aerozol: goes both ways!

back to you reosarevok

Ok, thanks everyone!

See you next week :)

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mayhem: do you want to keep the summit topic then?

Mmm, reosarevok knows how to bang

i think we can keep all the topics.

MonkeyPython: It’s usually 50% but we can enable any language in the test instance on demand.

Just to be able to finally meet lucifer in person I'm in for the India summit :)

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hehe :D

:P

lucifer: but then it looks like I forgot them! :D

ok, ok

wait lucifer hasn't been to barcelona?

nope visa issues

oww

every summit?

*issues with the visa issuing department

yeah, 3 times in a row now.

as a new contributor to this project and this being my first time in the irc , i thought it was a cool , just saying ...... btw this entire public meeting thing every week is great . awesome community :)

bitmap: this is a good one https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RPG8E...

Kioiokiokio: welcome! Sorry if your earlier question didn’t get answered? Often everyone is busy

lucifer: condolences, i feel ya

Welcome Kioiokiokio

hello kioiokiokio\

(very tough to write)

zas: which servers can i deploy the bridges on?

i've been to many open source projects before but have neveerrrr seen such a fun , interactive community to work with . looking forward to wroking with you in the future ...

they can be on a standalone server right?

jasje: was having some trouble creating nickname so just wronte something random in the nickname section and this one got accepted

lucifer: you can use quest

awesome thanks

Kioiokiokio: haha, happens to the best of us. No worries

Kioiokiokio: what project interests you the most?

well i am primarily from the ml tech stack so python has been my primary language for some time now . currenlty exploring the projects in your organisation and primarily contributing to picard and its plugins .

ML, picard? hmmm.

there is this project we want to do, but its a tricky one.

aerozol: hi! around for a few minutes?

BPM detection in music.

lucifer: yup, just give me a minute to reply to a YIM app question from earlier

aerozol: hehe, good luck to whoever has to parse that sentence though

mayhem : sounds intersting . how would you use that the BPM though ? as a classiifcation or recognition metric for any new or unknown music sample ?

pranavkonidena_: jasje: app looks great! (I obviously can’t check the interaction from the video, but thanks for adding swipe!) Just a couple of things that I can see from a quick check:

- Stats: typo remains: ( atleast! ) should be (at least!)

- Final screen has a ‘unsupported symbol’ icon after 2024, and if we could please make those social channel mentions into links

there are many uses, but if we can get BPM data, then I would include BPM support in LB-radio: https://listenbrainz.org/explore/lb-radio/

- no share buttons but not sure if that’s just because there wasn’t time

aerozol: yeah those features are still missing

jasje: all good

aerozol: so the problem with share is

any parsing library that converts from svg to png is bad on android

mayhem: kioiokiokio: ooh BPM. There will be some very happy DJ’s out there (who will start using Picard to tag their libraries). Hard one though

due to the sheer size of the svg we get from server

yeah, which is why we haven't tackled it.

mayhem: imagine all the seed investment offers you will get if we use LM for *anything* haha

aerozol: and so, We still unsure on share button

mayhem : So basically you would want a script or a model to which you pass a audio sample , say a 3 minute song and you are returned with the avg . bpm for that song? then you could usee that data any way you liked

we can still screen shot the screen and share it

kioiokiokio: fair warning, we hassle LLM on the regular! But where it’s good it’s great, obviously

yes, but.... Kioiokiokio. the general algorithm for this is to convert the audio into frequency domain (using FFT or so) and then in freq domain, find peaks to find the beats.

jasje: all good. For the app this year I assume we’re just happy to get something out

problem is the peak finding is rather tricky. a 120bpm track could be confused with a 60bpm track and a 180bpm track.

and there are algorithms out there for doing this, we dont need to reinvent the wheel either.

ideally we would get 3 different algorithms to do the same task and if they disagree, have them vote.

or we could just go cheesy and make it fully manual.

have the user select the "essential portion" of a song and then press a button on a down beat.

not exactly ML tho

aerozol: yeah, ive got time for a few days ill prolly brush things up myself if I don't get distracted

Updating MB beta servers…

Thanks yvanzo

mayhem : so you are suggesing either an ensemble or like a voting classifier for ml algos at beat determination in case they disagree by a large margin , else if they predict each other closely , we could go with the actual results . this does sound like an interesting project , even with refernce it its usage in picard . I think i might look into

this more closley over the week and get back to you on this in the next meet ,next monday . hopefully will be done with my other pr by then as well .

cool!

if we can use two off shelf beat detectors and possibly create on ourselves, if you're keen to get really into it, this would be stellar.

Finally, a reasonable ML project at MeB :P

yeah , i can look into that as well . this is sounding rather intersting actually .

it is, but it would be reinventing the wheel.