Listening to a open source Cory Doctorow audio collection that someone else added to MB - it’s 23 years old (!!) but I really enjoyed this section, “Metacrap: Putting the torch to seven straw-men of the meta-utopia”: https://people.well.com/user/doctorow/metacrap.htm
2024-05-13 13420, 2024
aerozol[m]
Still holds up, imo. I wonder if this would be worth exploring and reposting on our blog (it’s a CC license). Anyone concur?
2024-05-13 13450, 2024
aerozol[m]
Either as is, or with some new illustrations, or with new notes reflecting on how it applies to MetaBrainz today.
2024-05-13 13440, 2024
lucifer
akshaaatt: yes you need to go to each site individually to do it at the moment. no API for it.
2024-05-13 13440, 2024
lucifer
if you need the delete functionality in the app, probably add a webview where the user can log in and go to the delete page.
2024-05-13 13426, 2024
akshaaatt
Should we fill out the data safety form where it talks about user data collected? It also requires to have a delete-account page, lucifer ?
2024-05-13 13445, 2024
MonkeyPython
aerozol[m]: afaik cory is in our metabrainz board :o
2024-05-13 13457, 2024
MonkeyPython
or was. idon't know if he still is
2024-05-13 13401, 2024
lucifer
akshaaatt: we have a delete account page in the profile. and yes should be fine to fill the data safety page.
aerozol[m]: huh, I thought we required a registered email for CB reviews
2024-05-13 13452, 2024
reosarevok
I guess that was only for LB
2024-05-13 13443, 2024
reosarevok
re: your CB reviewers
2024-05-13 13401, 2024
reosarevok
Not sure I can do much from the MB side, we should probably block them in CB as needed?
2024-05-13 13411, 2024
atj
reosarevok: is it feasible to switch beta to use the new Solr cluster?
2024-05-13 13432, 2024
atj
if so, I'm not quite ready to do so yet, but not too far off
2024-05-13 13457, 2024
reosarevok
After the schema change today, possibly? yvanzo would have more details on that since he's the one who has looked into all the options
2024-05-13 13412, 2024
atj
ok, thanks
2024-05-13 13402, 2024
yvanzo
atj: anytime, it is easy to switch forth and back.
2024-05-13 13432, 2024
reosarevok
yvanzo: wait, so the schema change is at meeting time tonight?
2024-05-13 13451, 2024
reosarevok
I guess I should cancel the meeting then :D
2024-05-13 13455, 2024
yvanzo
It starts one hour before but upgrading to PG16 alone might take longer.
2024-05-13 13407, 2024
atj
yvanzo: excellent, I'll let you know
2024-05-13 13411, 2024
yvanzo
Oops, it starts exactly at the same time actually, since it's summer :)
2024-05-13 13416, 2024
reosarevok
It does? the doc says "Announce downtime for 17 UTC" which is meeting time
2024-05-13 13417, 2024
reosarevok
yeah :)
2024-05-13 13438, 2024
TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged and not empty as it is bridged to IRC; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/IRC for details | Agenda: NO MEETING TODAY, schema change release
2024-05-13 13448, 2024
reosarevok
rdswift and other matrix people, note NO MEETING TODAY
TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged and not empty as it is bridged to IRC; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/IRC for details | NO MEETING TODAY (due to MB schema change release)
2024-05-13 13427, 2024
reosarevok
Hah, aerozol[m] already submitted a review. That's what you get from being from the future, aerozol[m]
2024-05-13 13433, 2024
reosarevok
(sorry :) )
2024-05-13 13456, 2024
yvanzo
The topic was not set in Matrix, so I did, but it also overrode the topic in IRC.
2024-05-13 13439, 2024
reosarevok
It's fine :)
2024-05-13 13447, 2024
reosarevok
Good to know if we update on *that* side, it works in both sides
2024-05-13 13427, 2024
reosarevok
lucifer: I don't have a matrix username since I haven't tried matrix yet. What did you need it for? I can sign up if needed :)
2024-05-13 13410, 2024
lucifer
reosarevok: i can create one on moviebrainz if you want or you can create one on any homeserver of your choice like matrix.to etc.
2024-05-13 13452, 2024
reosarevok
How does that even work, does it not matter where you create it?
2024-05-13 13421, 2024
yvanzo
reosarevok: To switch beta from one SolrCloud instance to the other, it just takes setting `SEARCH_SERVER` in `config/MB/DBDefs.web*-beta.pm`and running `./scripts/local/update_mb_dbdefs_for_hosts.sh webservice-beta website-beta`, from `docker-server-configs`.
2024-05-13 13451, 2024
lucifer
it is federated, sort of like mastadon. decides where your data is stored and if the homeserver goes away your account does too.
2024-05-13 13448, 2024
reosarevok
Isn't moviebrainz temporary tho?
2024-05-13 13400, 2024
reosarevok
yvanzo: neat! We should document this :)
2024-05-13 13408, 2024
reosarevok
HACKING-PROD possibly
2024-05-13 13432, 2024
yvanzo
It is self-documented, `./scripts/local/update_mb_dbdefs_for_hosts.sh --help`
2024-05-13 13403, 2024
lucifer
reosarevok: yes it is. and intent is to start afresh when we migrate to chatbrainz. all existing account data goes away which shuold be fine unless you are using that account for other matrix channels or DMs.
2024-05-13 13412, 2024
reosarevok
Ok, seems good to me
2024-05-13 13413, 2024
lucifer
all channel history is being logged in IRC anyway
2024-05-13 13440, 2024
reosarevok
yvanzo: sure, but then you need to know the script exists in order to find it, which means I would not have found it without you mentioning it, probably :D
2024-05-13 13457, 2024
reosarevok
lucifer: feel free to make me an account if you need it then - why do we need it? :)
2024-05-13 13404, 2024
lucifer
ah okay, you were referring to that message from saturday. not needed anymore. i needed to discuss some summit stuff so i created a matrix group for it but that is sorted for now i think.
2024-05-13 13430, 2024
reosarevok
Oh, ok :)
2024-05-13 13452, 2024
reosarevok
Well, still, feel free to create an account in moviebrainz or let me know how I do so, for a possible next need :)
2024-05-13 13437, 2024
lucifer
will do
2024-05-13 13455, 2024
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reosarevok
yvanzo: I guess we're a bit late for the "1 day earlier on MusicBrainz account" tweet, whoops
2024-05-13 13445, 2024
reosarevok
Might as well send a quick one now
2024-05-13 13401, 2024
reosarevok
Done
2024-05-13 13444, 2024
reosarevok
lucifer, monkey, remember that login and possibly other things will be down for BB, LB, CB etc later, you might want to prepare some tweets / banners if available to give notice
2024-05-13 13445, 2024
mayhem
mooooin!
2024-05-13 13457, 2024
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mayhem
lucifer: we should really do the matrix deployment soon
2024-05-13 13439, 2024
reosarevok
yvanzo: I'll add the banners already as well I guess
2024-05-13 13456, 2024
reosarevok
Do we "Have an up-to-date Docker Compose mirror ready to test migration post-release." ?
2024-05-13 13443, 2024
yvanzo
That’s what I wrote :)
2024-05-13 13459, 2024
yvanzo
(in a.)
2024-05-13 13429, 2024
reosarevok
Aaah, that's what you meant :)
2024-05-13 13447, 2024
reosarevok
Sorry, wasn't sure if it was an explanation of how it should work, or it said it was done :D
2024-05-13 13414, 2024
reosarevok
The blog post draft should be fine I think (but did you check it too?)
2024-05-13 13426, 2024
reosarevok
The docker-compose one I can check if you already have it
2024-05-13 13403, 2024
reosarevok goes get some lunch for now
2024-05-13 13416, 2024
yvanzo
bitmap, reosarevok: Note that it is currently impossible to build the previous release of musicbrainz-docker because of the Yarn error (probably due to some changes, upstream, in the past month), fixed in musicbrainz-server@master last week but unreleased so far. Fortunately, I have a musicbrainz-docker instance whose images have been rebuilt before this error started to occur. It is database-only full mirror with the latest replication
2024-05-13 13416, 2024
yvanzo
packets.
2024-05-13 13411, 2024
yvanzo
(Found that out this weekend.)
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aerozol[m]
reosarevok: I’ll make some tweets that BB & LB may be effected, and share the MB news to our other channels as well
2024-05-13 13414, 2024
yvanzo
aerozol[m]: CB will be affected too
2024-05-13 13429, 2024
aerozol[m]
yvanzo: I’m on my phone and not logged into the CB Twitter
2024-05-13 13457, 2024
yvanzo
No problem, I can do that one then :)
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monkey
I posted for BB aerozol[m]
2024-05-13 13435, 2024
monkey
Hello everyone
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aerozol[m]
Nice one yvanzo and monkey. Bit of a heads up next time please tīmu - but shit happens I know. Still a decent amount of notice imo
2024-05-13 13406, 2024
aerozol[m]
(posts are up)
2024-05-13 13424, 2024
yvanzo
aerozol[m]: Thanks, my bad for the late announcement, that was in our roadmap though.
2024-05-13 13459, 2024
aerozol[m]
yvanzo: all good, it happens!
2024-05-13 13415, 2024
reosarevok
Yeah, the roadmap said "announce a few hours in advance at most" but it also did say "schedule the tweets", heh
2024-05-13 13425, 2024
yvanzo
I cannot log in CB Twitter account for now, pending their confirmation code.
2024-05-13 13431, 2024
reosarevok
Next time we should maybe ask to schedule the tweets during the previous Monday meeting
2024-05-13 13402, 2024
yvanzo
Under the section “Several hours before the upgrade” instead of a day before.
2024-05-13 13444, 2024
aerozol[m]
reosarevok: and feel free to put in to let me know, so I can cross-post to Mastodon and Bluesky. Bluesky hasn’t really picked up for us, but Mastodon is not bad tbh. And I’ll mention it on Discord while I’m at it
2024-05-13 13407, 2024
reosarevok
Perfect :)
2024-05-13 13426, 2024
reosarevok
aerozol[m], yvanzo: moved the "schedule tweets, and notify aerozol[m]" bit to "getting ready" for next time rather than "same day"
2024-05-13 13443, 2024
reosarevok
aerozol[m]: btw, you're the one mostly monitoring MB twitter now, so maybe you should change the bio :)
2024-05-13 13448, 2024
aerozol[m]
yvanzo: I am usually pretty finnicky about this stuff, but even I wouldn’t stress about updating the CB Twitter!
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yvanzo
I used to do the announcements before and never had to wait that long for their confirmation mail.
2024-05-13 13451, 2024
aerozol[m]
reosarevok: our other X accounts don’t have that bit (who is monitoring), but it definitely gives it a friendly vibe. It’s not just me monitoring though, right? I do often check daily though, because it’s quick and I procrastinate other jobs...
2024-05-13 13423, 2024
reosarevok
I do check sometimes, but not too often, since you're a lot better at it :D
2024-05-13 13443, 2024
aerozol[m]
I followed your link and saw you have this in your bio “During 2023 I’m the acting community manager.” Such an optimist!
2024-05-13 13413, 2024
aerozol[m]
If I get bored this week I’ll change it :)
2024-05-13 13422, 2024
reosarevok
heh
2024-05-13 13428, 2024
reosarevok
I guess I should also update that
2024-05-13 13433, 2024
aerozol[m]
I realise now that’s because it would have been nice for Freso to return, but the idea that someone else would take that off your shoulders… good luck 🙏🥲
2024-05-13 13418, 2024
aerozol[m]
Night all, don’t fuck up the schema change xoxo
2024-05-13 13440, 2024
reosarevok
Yeah that was the idea, but :)
2024-05-13 13442, 2024
reosarevok
Changed
2024-05-13 13445, 2024
reosarevok
Sleep well!
2024-05-13 13456, 2024
yvanzo
Night!
2024-05-13 13459, 2024
yvanzo
Still no confirmation mail from Twitter for CB account, I’m giving up.
2024-05-13 13455, 2024
bitmap
yvanzo, reosarevok: moiin. did the blog post look ok to either of you?
2024-05-13 13434, 2024
bitmap
yvanzo good to hear you still have a working musicbrainz-docker from before the yarn error
2024-05-13 13451, 2024
yvanzo
We should likely have merged this path into production and release a hotfix, but it wasn’t worth it anymore when I found it out.
2024-05-13 13401, 2024
yvanzo
*d
2024-05-13 13410, 2024
yvanzo
I will test using a prebuilt image this time.
2024-05-13 13454, 2024
bitmap
👍
2024-05-13 13408, 2024
yvanzo
bitmap: I will just add to the blog post that search requirements won’t change today.
2024-05-13 13432, 2024
bitmap
ok, feel free to publish once you're done :)
2024-05-13 13446, 2024
yvanzo
bitmap: you still have control on this post
2024-05-13 13458, 2024
bitmap
sorry, closed the tab
2024-05-13 13440, 2024
yvanzo
bitmap: maybe more than one tab? :)
2024-05-13 13405, 2024
bitmap
not that I can see!
2024-05-13 13420, 2024
yvanzo
bitmap: I’ve added BB & MeB too as they need MB for login.
2024-05-13 13430, 2024
bitmap
ok, I understand zas would like to reboot servers today too, so we'll likely need a full downtime anyway
2024-05-13 13423, 2024
reosarevok
Back from lunch :)
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yvanzo
I updated the initial announcement too about postponed search upgrades.
