#metabrainz

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      • Freso
        (Still up: lucifer, atj, zas, Shubh, riksucks, Freso – anyone else who wants to give review, let me know ASAP.)
      • jasje: pick one ^ :)
      • jasje
        lucifer go next!
      • lucifer
        hi all!
      • jasje
        monkey: Thanks!!
      • Pratha-Fish CatQuest: I am a corporate shill sent by google to keep an eye at MetaBrainz 👁️
      • Pratha-Fish *on
      • CatQuest
        nah
      • mayhem
        Pratha-Fish: not needed. we have direct line to Google. :)
      • lucifer
        last few weeks, i worked mostly on Year in Music stuff. other than worked on adding cover art to playlists and helped alastairp with the manual mapping stuff.
      • mayhem
        if they want to know what we're doing they know to just ask
      • lucifer
        also, met with riksucks, ansh and akshaaatt! :)
      • that's it for me. atj: next?
      • v6lur joined the channel
      • atj
        hello
      • Pratha-Fish
        mayhem: of course I know you have a direct line at Google... I work there. I was sent to report on daily activities and espionage (secret stuff they cant directly ask about)
      • CatQuest
        this joke bores me :|
      • atj
        Happy new year everyone. First day back after an extended Christmas break so nothing to report.
      • zas?
      • zas
        Hey
      • Pratha-Fish
        CatQuest: Try to spot me in your coffee tomorrow 👁️
      • Freso
        (Only Shubh, riksucks, and Freso left on my list. Last call for anyone else who wish to give review!)
      • zas
        I did usual supervision, user support, upgrades, etc..
      • We (with phw) released first version of Picard 2.9 (alpha)
      • CatQuest
        lol fail, gave up the façade, you would know I do not drink coffee
      • :D
      • Pratha-Fish starts punching air
      • zas
        I also started to work on possible solutions to integrate J5 servers with others physical servers
      • CatQuest
        mwahahaha
      • zas
        We decided with atj to work on it tomorrow
      • apart that, I had quite a lot of friends at home for NYE so still ... processing
      • fin. lucifer ?
      • ooops nope Shubh ?
      • Shubh
        Hi!
      • last week, i finished writing dynamic tests for the revert feature.
      • Did some testing for the same, nothing much though
      • fin, go riksucks?
      • Freso
        riksucks: Ping?
      • I guess I’ll go and we’ll see if riksucks shows up.
      • Freso: Go!
      • 🙋
      • I’ve been off since last meeting until ~half an hour ago. Nothing MeB related was done in this period.
      • fin.
      • Which wraps up reviews! Thank you all for yours!
      • We have two more items on the agenda and about 20 more minutes, so let’s get to it.
      • yvanzo: Docsprint - Qualifiers
      • yvanzo
        It’s just a reminder to the team to get ready for next week doc sprint! 🏁
      • Freso
        Alright!
      • mayhem
        I've got a project for reosarevok and myself.
      • Freso
        yvanzo: Online digital release
      • :)
      • mayhem
        two actually. heh.
      • alastairp
        🏆 for people who write most documentation, or those who delete most out of date documentation?
      • reosarevok
        Maybe even update the out of date one?
      • [Update_Rather_Than_Delete]
      • CatQuest
        ping me if you want me to do something about it
      • reosarevok
        mayhem: should I be afraid?
      • CatQuest
        fish
      • mayhem
        mildly so, yes.
      • CatQuest
        !recall oh no.
      • BrainzBot
      • yvanzo
        next topic?
      • monkey
        Yes
      • reosarevok
        Sure
      • CatQuest
        freso said so ?
      • oh
      • jasje
        monkey: lucifer: just a heads up the yim heat map's legend is not right ig?
      • Freso
        yvanzo: That's what I tried to suggest by "19:42:08 <Freso> yvanzo: Online digital release" :p
      • CatQuest thoguht so too
      • yvanzo
        Ok didn't see it with all the other messages.
      • CatQuest
        sorry
      • yvanzo
        The backlogs (tickets + community) about this issue are huge, so I tried to split it.
      • 1. Better defining release event for physical release.
      • jivte
        lucifer: monkey: Hey can u please tell how to convert a date unix timestamp
      • yvanzo
        2. Defining digital release (which has less distinctive features than physical release)
      • 3. Finally defining digital release event
      • reosarevok
        jivte: after the meeting, please :)
      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: As STYLE BDFL, is 1 something that we can nail quickly?
      • (I expect it to be quick but I might be wrong.)
      • Pratha-Fish
        CatQuest: Oh hi, I was on the other tab
      • I actually have some stuff for documentation!
      • yvanzo
        My understanding is that release country is significant for physical releases because they had some differences.
      • reosarevok
        yvanzo: I honestly didn't realize it was unclear
      • For 1 I mean :)
      • CatQuest
        same
      • reosarevok
        But I can look into improving the wording this week if you point me to the places people were confused :)
      • CatQuest
        afaik people where confused about *online* releases
      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: it's not even documented at: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Release
      • reosarevok
        The date the release was issued. / The country the release was issued in.
      • CatQuest
        oooh! well good thing with the doc sprint then!
      • reosarevok
        I thought that'd be all the documentation needed for physical, since those two things directly apply to those :)
      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: yes and it links to an historic release event page.
      • CatQuest
        so basically 1 is Update the documentation
      • yvanzo
        Thanks, so we can move to the next step after that.
      • reosarevok
        Yeah, seems so
      • yvanzo
        (If the split looks reasonable to everyone.)
      • reosarevok
        Let's update the links later this week, and if you feel the wording is confusing we can talk about that too
      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: It's not just what is a release event, it is why we have it.
      • reosarevok
        Oh. Well, we don't document why we have artists or barcodes either 🤷‍♂️
      • yvanzo
        We should.
      • CatQuest
        eh.
      • yvanzo
        Fin for me.
      • Pratha-Fish
        CatQuest: does this count as documentation? https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Communication/IRC ? I'd love to add a step by step quick start for IRC since a lot of folks I know seem to be having trouble wrapping their head around it
      • Freso
        Unless others have more to add to the topic, that’s that for this week.
      • CatQuest
        oh! yea. a documentation for irc would be +++
      • Freso
        Which it doesn’t look like there are.
      • yvanzo
        Pratha-Fish: Sure.
      • Freso
        So thank you all for your time! Welcome back, and stay safe out there!
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      • CatQuest
        I remember back i the day i was confused by irc too. it has a small steep learning curve, but once you figure it out it's awesome
      • reosarevok
        yvanzo: so the idea is to improve docs, then define digital next meeting? Works for me
      • Pratha-Fish
        Freso: 🎉
      • CatQuest
        🎉🎊
      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: Why we have artists or barcodes is pretty obvious. But release events are not always printed on the release.
      • CatQuest
        barcodes and artists aren't always printed either :D
      • reosarevok
        I mean, I'm not sure why we have them - because people want them? :D I'm not sure why we have packaging either, but that seems to be the same reason
      • CatQuest
        many releases don't even *have* barcode
      • reosarevok
        I mean, I guess to some degree both help disambiguate releases
      • CatQuest
        that's my take away actualy
      • Pratha-Fish
        CatQuest: Exactly! I was super confused when I first started out wih IRC. A lot of folks have been DMing me on Linkedin for the same too. I'll get back to you with an update draft soon
      • CatQuest
        it made more sense before coverart uploads too
      • reosarevok
        But I don't think that's the reason we have them, people like to have that info even when there's only one release and no likelihood of re-release
      • CatQuest
        Pratha-Fish: cool!
      • on wiki
      • I mean. we have that data becasue.. it's data
      • and for especially physical and historical release. it was very important data
      • reosarevok
        CatQuest: sure, but that's the argument people give for the 200 country lists :D
      • "it's data, so we want to add it" :p
      • CatQuest
        because there where real differences between jp, vs US vs uk releases and such
      • reosarevok
        So maybe we can figure out a better reason :D
      • CatQuest
        ja. i was getting to that
      • monkey
        jivte: What do you need help with?
      • CatQuest
        in physical you have *a release* I have a norwegian release of "secret garden" it is differnt than the international ones
      • and so on
      • zas
        to me the main difference between digital & physical releases is that physical ones hardly change after release, but digital releases can be edited, and sometimes that's very hard to know when & what changed.
      • CatQuest
        with online it's.. complicated and less distinct at the same time
      • yvanzo
        Release country was a distinctive feature for physical release, it is lesser the case for digital release.
      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • CatQuest
        exactly
      • jivte
        monkey: thanks for asking i figured it out myself
      • CatQuest
        it's literally unimportant for online
      • reosarevok
        I guess what yvanzo is looking at is "if we decide why do we even bother to store countries and dates, it's easier to figure out if that even makes sense for digital"?
      • monkey
        👍
      • jivte
        monkey: actually was converting date to timestamp for submitting timestamp in payload
      • reosarevok
        Which makes sense to me. It's not quite unimportant for digital - because sometimes there are differences between digital releases in different countries, even though that sounds stupid
      • But it's certainly less important IMO
      • yvanzo
        It makes sense for physical release, but digital releases are another thing.
      • CatQuest
        I have a live recording of Motörhead ok? they are playing a concert and lemmy talks about th song they wher going ot play next. and he says "but you cna only gt it in german, you couldn't even steal it" and i was like "yea lemmy luv, this is so obv pre-internet
      • so in conclution it *dosnt* really make sense to have countries of online/digital releases