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      • atj
        zas: seems like a good idea judging by the number of kernel messages https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ttmEOe00/
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      • aerozol
        reosarevok: oh re. videos, I know some of these already exist, and in some cases more detailed ones with a script etc. But I want to have a ‘full set’ of short casual ones (and a bit more SEO doesn’t heart to be honest…)
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      • lucifer: I can already tell that linking my missing LB listens is going to be hell with my OCD… but kinda a fun hell that I definitely want to do!!
      • One question, before I go through, a lot of the missing ones are albums I listened to on Bandcamp while adding them. Does the automatic matching ever get run again, or is it that once it’s on the ‘missing data’ page it will never be linked except for manually?
      • Before I go through and match a bunch of stuff unnecessarily
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      • BrainzGit
        [artwork-redirect] 14dependabot[bot] opened pull request #43 (03master…dependabot/pip/werkzeug-0.15.5): Bump werkzeug from 0.15.3 to 0.15.5 https://github.com/metabrainz/artwork-redirect/...
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      • lucifer
        aerozol: rechecked once a month if you relisten to the tracks. i can write a script to recheck all your missing LB listens if you'd like. might come in handy for other users too i guess.
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      • aerozol
        lucifer: gotcha. Would definitely be useful - if you’ve got nothing more important to do ;)
      • reosarevok
        aerozol: you should have access to both the google doc and /admin in LB
      • Also hi, let's talk stuff if you're up for it still :)
      • Re: videos, great, just wanted to make sure you knew of the existing ones :)
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      • bitmap: MBS-12861 has a point that it'd be easier to debug that if it indicated something about the relationships in question :) I didn't think we'd see this error, but
      • BrainzBot
        MBS-12861: "Error: Two relationships with the same key" does not specify the problematic relations https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-12861
      • reosarevok
        Several people have hit that, so I'll try to research it
      • aerozol
        Hey reosarevok! might have to hop off the compy soon but happy to chat
      • reosarevok
        ... oh
      • compy as in computer? :D
      • So
      • You did take a look at the google table, right?
      • aerozol
        Yeah, I left some comments
      • compyter
      • Meeting minutes is probably the most straightforward? I can just start doing them and copy Freso’s format (maybe less of their special fun stuff), and we can see how it goes
      • reosarevok
        If you want, that works for me. Easier for you to do anyway since the meeting is in the morning for you
      • aerozol
        Great, bookmarked
      • I don’t see any kind of admin/reports panel in LB
      • reosarevok
      • aerozol
        Ooh fancy, thanks
      • reosarevok
        It clearly needs improvements (for example, reported users are not linked to their user pages)
      • In fact, no users are, under Users either
      • aerozol
        Did you see my note? I’m not sure if it’s clear that people shouldn’t have multiple accounts
      • reosarevok
        Well, our general MeB CoC says no gaming our services
      • aerozol
        People sending spam or being abusive is more obvious so that’s easy
      • I’m thinking more if someone makes two accounts to test something out, is that ‘gaming’?
      • reosarevok
        Clearly, listening to the same stuff in multiple accounts (exact matches) and listening to the same tracks on repeat 24/7 in a clearly unnatural way is gaming the service
      • aerozol
        In that case, yes, but a lot of the reports aren’t that by the looks of it
      • reosarevok
        If someone just has two accounts, and they test stuff with one, then use the other, then whatevs
      • (IMO)
      • aerozol
        I’m not sure what it’s gaming atm since we don’t have album/track stats, but I guess they’re planning ahead :P
      • OK great
      • reosarevok
        We still need to decide what happens in those cases where we detect gaming (maybe mayhem already knows, but I don't :) )
      • But yeah. I don't think there's a lot of reports in here now, so should be easy to keep on top of it for now
      • aerozol
        I assume email, wait a day or two, and then remove?
      • In CB I don’t bother messaging when I hide a review tbh, would take ages. And I’m not deleting accounts
      • reosarevok
        In MB we haven't usually contacted people who are obviously spamming
      • We just block them
      • aerozol
        OK cool. So just in fringe cases where it’s not clear what they’re up to?
      • reosarevok
        But we contact people who are doing something else wrong (being rude, ignoring edit notes, whatnot)
      • aerozol
        Excellent
      • reosarevok
        I guess in LB we could do the same - if something seems off but we're not sure it's malicious, write and be like "hey maybe don't?"
      • aerozol
        I might do it some more going forwards (I have done it sometimes, but usually it’s pretty obvious what they’re up to)
      • Usually I’m hiding reviews from accounts with just 1 self review so I can’t say I lose sleep over whether they even noticed or not
      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • I'd probably write if it was stuff like "it seems this person might be getting paid to review stuff 5 stars" or "this person is leaving reviews that seem like they are irrelevant to the stuff being reviewed" or something
      • aerozol
        Yeah I’ve done the occasional email
      • Do you want me to check the MB reports email with you, or just be here for discussion if you see something that’s not clear?
      • reosarevok
        For clear vandalism we usually don't send email in MB either
      • So if someone left a lot of reviews like "piss shit fuck ass", probably no need to mail
      • Now, if someone left a review with a gif of a monkey drinking its own urine, that's review art #pitchfork
      • aerozol
        That’s a pretty clear moderation case
      • upvote and move on
      • I have to go - feel free to let me know re the MB reports in the doc, or here!
      • reosarevok
        Ok! I was mostly thinking about talking about them, but you having access to reports would be useful anyway
      • So you can block someone acting up on your timezone while others sleep
      • But good night!
      • aerozol
        night night! feel free to PM me with access deets and I can have a poke about and see what tends to get sent in and what’s done and so on
      • reosarevok
        mayhem: ^ can you add aerozol to the MB reports list? (aerozol: it's just an email account, so no nice reports panel like in LB)
      • (maybe something to consider adding)
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      • aerozol
        Thanks reosarevok!
      • (Lucy got home but still has work to do so I’m still up after all :)
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      • mayhem
        mooin!
      • reosarevok: reported users list you mean?
      • reosarevok
        Yeah, account-admins
      • mayhem
        fet!
      • yvanzo
        O’Moin
      • reosarevok
        moin!
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      • yvanzo
        reosarevok, bitmap: I added a link to the tickets reported about the beta in website banner: https://tickets.metabrainz.org/issues/?jql=proj...
      • reosarevok
        yvanzo: why show also resolved ones?
      • reosarevok closes a few from there that were actually already fixed
      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: To show the work covered so far. But I ordered by status to show open tickets first.
      • And also, the closed tickets might have some rationale about the way it is currently implemented.
      • reosarevok
        I guess then
      • BrainzGit
        [musicbrainz-server] 14reosarevok opened pull request #2818 (03beta…MBS-12859): MBS-12859: Allow relationship credit to be the same as name https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-serve...
      • reosarevok
        mayhem: so, from the talk with aerozol, it seems neither of us knows exactly what should happen with LB reported users
      • mayhem
        that is why I agreed to write docs. :)
      • reosarevok
        Ok :) We can wait for the docs then, nothing in the reported list seems urgent
      • Do you see any reason not to add links to the user pages from the admin zone of LB?
      • mayhem
        none
      • reosarevok
        Added LB-1220 - if lucifer doesn't do it before I get to it, then I'll look into it once I have some time
      • BrainzBot
        LB-1220: Add links to user pages when listing users in /admin https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/LB-1220
      • reosarevok
        We might want to do something similar in MB to this reports page, it seems like it'd be fairly useful. Ideally I guess it would have a way to comment, archive and search the reports too
      • Well, I guess it'd make sense to implement it for MeB once we have the users there instead? And have all reports end up there
      • From different sites
      • But dunno :)
      • yvanzo
        That’s totally the purpose of spam report architecture designed around SpamBrainz (for MB/CB/...) and it can apply not just to spam.
      • reosarevok
        bitmap: I took MBS-12859 (see PR), but I'm at a loss with MBS-12860 / MBS-12861. When you're around, please take a look - it might be some issue with state?
      • BrainzBot
        MBS-12859: beta: No longer possible to set credited-as name to the same as the artist's default name https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-12859
      • MBS-12860: beta: Unable to enter relationships: "Two relationships with the same key" https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-12860
      • MBS-12861: Beta: "Error: Two relationships with the same key" does not specify the problematic relations https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-12861
      • reosarevok
        yvanzo: maybe we should look into plugging usual reports into it then and then have bot spam reports added to it when that's available
      • yvanzo
        yes, added to notes.
      • BrainzGit
        [metabrainz.org] release 03v-2023-02-02.0 has been published by 14github-actions[bot]: https://github.com/metabrainz/metabrainz.org/re...
      • Lotheric
        anyone else having difficulty loading https://community.metabrainz.org/latest ?
      • Tracing route to community.metabrainz.org [2a01:4f9:3051:3e95::2] no ipv4 ?
      • mayhem
        unable to connect here.
      • zas ^
      • have a look and let me know what is unclear or needs improving.
      • zas
        yes, on it, docker upgrade caused unexpected issues
      • Lotheric
        !m zas
      • BrainzBot
        You're doing good work, zas!
      • reosarevok
        mayhem: made a few changes for clarity but the idea seems clear enough
      • mayhem
        ok, cool.
      • I updated the doc to point to the wiki page.
      • aerozol should have access to the page now.
      • reosarevok
        He does
      • bitmap: see also MBS-12863
      • BrainzBot
        MBS-12863: Beta: Tooltips are too far to the left in the external links editor https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-12863
      • zas
        atj: can you double-check this change -<
      • atj
        that's weird
      • should be in docker package deps if it's required
      • zas
        what happened: I upgraded systems, docker was in the set, and it failed on community to restart nginx-proxy, outputting the error you can see in the commit message, I installed apparmor package, error is gone
      • but it didn't cause issues elsewhere