#musicbrainz

Is there any documentation on this new (at least I think it's new) "Users similar to you" thing?

(On listenbrainz)

derwin: If I look at the people who actually voted their accounts are around for a while, and most have done their editing. I agree that they should have asked here or on the forums, though.

derwin: anyway, instead of actually just arguing about the way people started the discussion it would be great to have some actual discussion about the issue at hand and how to best handle this data in MB.

+1

outsidecontext: i really agree with your comment here https://community.metabrainz.org/t/handling-nam...

I can read the text if i turn of javascript lol

but I can't sign in to comment, sigh

hm the https://community.metabrainz.org/t/handling-nam... comment, could alternate tracklists be usefull there?

lol jesus wrote it :D

CatQuest: It's a pity you cannot comment :( What browser do you have available?

ff44 (ooold) and the most updatable chrome (which doesnt wor keither :/)

I have some pastes with te error consoles.. i was going ot make a ticket or pester zas (but zas is uber busy so i didn't wantot put more on his place)

s/place/plate/

oh, that's old. older OS I guess?

mac os 10.7.5

(I will never use mac again after i get more modern machine. euch)

https://paste.ee/p/s6fQz from chrome

oh well. the chrome version running there is likely also not a current one, but just the newest still running on macOS 10.7

exactly, the newest one available to me

the most upatable(in mac os 10.7.5)

don't think zas could do much about that. if anything that would be need to be fixed in Discourse, but they probably have no interest at supporting browsers this old :(

ehk, yes

any chance you'll get a newer computer?

actually I am waiting to get a vaccine so i can feel comfortable getting t oa computer store and stuff to get a new machine (becasue this one is having a sata disc fault anyway) and in the new machine i plan on trying linux finally

:DD

:D good move. and good luck with the vaccine, I'm still only on the waiting lists

about the transgender discussion: I find it a bit frustrating. On the one hand there is now some actual discussion going on, with different arguments for and against some possible solutions (both long term and short term). But from the side who argues for using the deadname for old releases not much constructive feedback is coming really.

I have a gaming pc (win 7) where I have a selection of browsers installed (it had no internet connection because my old wirelss was crap, it died and was replaced justa few days ago) and i've slowly been updating browsers and trying out vivaldi (good) but also the newer chromebased browsers have issues that are endemic to chrome specifically,

(adblock as an example works so much differently in modern browsers and I have gotten used to being able to do ctrl+shift+k to quickly get into "block this" mode, sigh) also the SG Google trasnaltor extension which I use excessively (and for work) works differently in chromebased, it will start a new box for each tab (and hat is bad for me)

outsidecontext: i noticed. I see that the one side is being fairly constructive in reasoning and discussion

and the other.. not so much

I understand that this clearly started all the wrong way. On both sides there were assumptions of hostility and extremism, that would not have been necessary.

I'm reading from 34 and dwon (I'll have to read for mthe top/new page to get the beginning)

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https://community.metabrainz.org/t/handling-nam... good comment

CatQuest: yes, indeed. Very well written

ROpdebee: Updated both beta and main musicbrainz websites with cover art upload fix by bitmap for https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-11737

i just reaslied we are actually inconsistant about not deadnaming actually: we say "as is printed on time of release" (for physical media)

but atthe same time we do *Not* have a practice of no longer-excisting areas. people born in countries no longer excisting wil have to have there place of birth set to "what it is *now*" instead 🤔

we have to argue that why is exactly the historical name important in this case?

if there is a physicla written record (wg physical releases with the old name, thne)

that is a physical fact that is relevant (eg wendy carlos)

but for situations liek this, the artist was barely known with their old name, who are we actually preserving this "historical fact" for?

so many "historicla" facts are overlooked is important, not based on enough data or not even fitting ou data-model (eg old country names)

see this guy https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5394999 he was born not in Oslo but "Christiania". this is a historical fact

but we are not preserving it

we remove "historical accurate data-fact" if eg an artist/label/rightsholder coemsalong and says "remove this coverart" . thne the IA will balcken that coverart box

if someone comes with GPDH and is like "remove this information about me" thne we are obligated to do so

how is it not?

place of birth is every bith as valid information as "name given at birth"

and has much importance on a persons life as well

nor, respectfully, is that you have deeply encroued gender disphoria.

I also think that we should have historical areas. even more so importantly for BookBrainz

do note I'm arguing this particular case when it comes to "historical data" though. i disliek making blanked statements about especially every single person

and physical media with old names, and digital covers with obvious names all of these will be historical data we shoudl preserve

in *this* particular case however: no names on the cover, person has gone out of theri way to rename everthing, they are trans nad have done this to remove the deadname excplsitly

they where not very famous before transition, they have been transitioned longer thna not(apparently?)

etc etc

in *this* case. i would argue Rg and recordings atleast

anyway we do do things in a "case-by-case" way for lots of things tho

I totally agree. there is no one-size-fits-all solution. There are enough cases where the artists themselves keep their older stuff with their old name. I think those cases are easy, and nobody is trying to change that

yep

i do wonder if the alternate tracklists is a thing that ca n*again* fix this

but after all those discussions I come to the conclusion that this specific case would be best handled by not using the deadname at all but the annotations.

I think i'm agree ing with outside here

atj: yea. that example is a hard one i hope we never have to deal with

because yes. that is physical releases which are fact and easily checked up every time

another thing: this person has only digital releases also

atj: I originally though that this would be only possible to handle by keeping the original credit on the release. https://community.metabrainz.org/t/handling-nam... argues otherwise, but I'm not convinced. But we probably need a way to present the artist credits in a way that avoids confusion

if there had been physicla releases.. i'm not sure i woudl agree changing those

+1

also kepstin's idea of the "withdrawed" release is a good one

not jsut for this kind of thing either

also you cannot change the name as easily for real. for physical you need to do a proper re-release.

it's like a "after-the-fact unofficial status"

exactly. and those rereleases woudl be in the db with the new name anyway

i do think release groups and recordings are fine to change tho

hah,

:D

for sure release group and recording, and the idea behind withdrawn release is that it'll show up lower in the UI so the first releases seen are the ones with the correct name

in these trans casesm, Rg and recordings seem fien to change

yep

so that would, also help with physical releases

(I feel sorry for poor reosarevok on vacation comming back to this :D)

I also like the idea behind https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-11741 , just not sure about the concrete implementation

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