by the way, let me say that this autoedit "feature" is BS xD
2021-09-26 26912, 2021
King_DuckZ
I only realised because the front cover changed and I re-tagged my files and randomly checked the editing history, otherwise I didn't get any notification
2021-09-26 26943, 2021
King_DuckZ
at this point who knows how many of my releases got changed behind my back without me ever knowing
2021-09-26 26909, 2021
crism
King_DuckZ: I suggest subscribing to the artists you care most about. You’ll at least get notified about the autoedits…
2021-09-26 26954, 2021
King_DuckZ
crism: well, I mostly know about the things I entered because I research a bit before adding stuff
2021-09-26 26944, 2021
Erin
dominikh : If that first track should be rounded to 16, then you still should be voting yes on that change?
2021-09-26 26955, 2021
Erin
although it's applied now so im not sure it matters
2021-09-26 26911, 2021
Erin
...although maybe you figured that out in the difference cause i se your abstain
2021-09-26 26901, 2021
Erin
but regardless
2021-09-26 26912, 2021
Erin
it's sort of meaningless to claim that you side with "Accuracy"
2021-09-26 26923, 2021
Erin
cause neither is more or less correct in a technical sense
2021-09-26 26941, 2021
Erin
if we had a rule that said we round, or one that said that we truncate, then there would be technical correctness to be had
2021-09-26 26936, 2021
Erin
but for all intents and purposes, the claim of the change that got undone is simply that the user's preference for rounding is inherently superior somehow to truncation, which is not based on anything of which i am aware, and that the compatibility with other listings is irrelevant to this preference
2021-09-26 26927, 2021
Erin
and if we just wanted to side with greater precision regardless of anything else, we should be looking to add millisecond remainders to the available inputs, rather than alter the shortening method
2021-09-26 26926, 2021
King_DuckZ
although it's applied now so im not sure it matters <-- exactly my problem, I think I will file a bug report about this autoediting and fast tracking other people's edits
2021-09-26 26931, 2021
Erin
For example, if I were to phrase the runtime as "how many full seconds exist within the runtime of the track?" .... suddenly truncation is more accurate than rounding.
2021-09-26 26957, 2021
Erin
so we cant claim accuracy here without more information/policies than we have
2021-09-26 26904, 2021
King_DuckZ
and if we just wanted to side with greater precision we should be looking to add millisecond remainders <-- that - not that I'd want to add track lengths in milliseconds, just saying that if accuracy is set to seconds there's a reason
2021-09-26 26923, 2021
King_DuckZ
lol good luck timing cassette tracks with millisecond accuracy xD
2021-09-26 26928, 2021
Erin
i mean the reason may simply be that nobody thought of it, or nobody cared to provide that much, or just not worth storing that much
2021-09-26 26942, 2021
Erin
but the point is
2021-09-26 26901, 2021
Erin
its not more or less accurate to round or truncate unless you can describe "how" it's more or less accurate, or "according to what rule" that would be the case
2021-09-26 26910, 2021
King_DuckZ
I totally agree with that
2021-09-26 26937, 2021
Erin
so meanwhile, if we claim th ey're equally accurate, but everyone shows one over the other
2021-09-26 26952, 2021
Erin
.....that's all i need to know, personally, in order to make a decision about which one im going to put in my entries
2021-09-26 26954, 2021
Erin
King_DuckZ : as to your other question, about this high res thing
2021-09-26 26909, 2021
Erin
Can you clarify that it has the same label id and the same barcode?
2021-09-26 26917, 2021
Erin
I would recommend consulting any policy stuff, but my first instinct is that if all the meta-identifying info, I would consider it "the same thing"
2021-09-26 26936, 2021
Erin
sorry, **if all the meta-identifying info /is the same/
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Erin
actually, looking closer, you're also linking to the same product listing page ..... so I'm inclined to think it's the same "thing"
I made a comment here https://musicbrainz.org/edit/83042086 showing some examples of hi-res and non-hir-es separate releases, although they have a different barcode (except the last one that has no barcode)
2021-09-26 26914, 2021
Erin
so
2021-09-26 26915, 2021
King_DuckZ
otoh I don't think the barcode means much because last last link has same barcode paired to wildly different CDs
can you tell me which two releases are the normal and hi res ones?
2021-09-26 26905, 2021
Erin
is it 2 and 3?
2021-09-26 26956, 2021
King_DuckZ
the 2xdigital media with barcode 4988601465236 (which is the same as the CD) and the one marked as 96kHz
2021-09-26 26902, 2021
Erin
so
2021-09-26 26909, 2021
Erin
you have a different catalog number on those
2021-09-26 26927, 2021
Erin
is it fair to say that that implies that the publisher considered these things to be separate publications?
2021-09-26 26956, 2021
Erin
and in turn, is there a way in which a reasonably similar claim can be made about this other situation that we're actually here to talk about?
2021-09-26 26949, 2021
King_DuckZ
interestingly they both link to mora.jp, each to the respective release hi-res and non-hi-res, just like I'd like to have for the album we've been arguing aobut :)
2021-09-26 26957, 2021
Erin
yeah, but can it reasonably be said that there is a distinction made in terms of the identity of the publication, beyond simply having downloads for the varying files?
2021-09-26 26902, 2021
King_DuckZ
well that I honestly don't know, I just saw that several release groups included the 96kHz version and conformed to it whenever I see mora.jp selling both
2021-09-26 26917, 2021
Erin
[im also trying to look through guidance here, to see if there's a specific detail]
2021-09-26 26939, 2021
King_DuckZ
yep, I'm also trying to figure out
2021-09-26 26954, 2021
King_DuckZ
I'm not upset or anything :D
2021-09-26 26908, 2021
King_DuckZ
I mean, I've already been told that the different url on mora doesn't count as a catalogue number (they add _96 to the url for the hi-res versions)
2021-09-26 26957, 2021
Erin
yeah, urls are meaningless
2021-09-26 26921, 2021
King_DuckZ
I'm sorry but I really have to go to bed
2021-09-26 26935, 2021
King_DuckZ
I said I'd sleep by midnight and it's 3:30 /facepalm
2021-09-26 26959, 2021
Erin
i tried treating this as a "this needs to be merged" and looked for guidelines on when to do that, but i didnt find any, so im thinking we dont have a good answer on when to merge and keep separate, but i'm super interested in a doc link if we do
2021-09-26 26913, 2021
Erin
im currently trying to look at the square enix info to see what they consider it to be
2021-09-26 26917, 2021
King_DuckZ
if you figure out any guidelines drop me a message on irc or a note on MB as I would also like to know for the future
2021-09-26 26929, 2021
Erin
are you perma-online? cause yeah, i can dm
2021-09-26 26911, 2021
King_DuckZ
yep, unless server dies
2021-09-26 26922, 2021
Erin
[i said square enix but that's not correct -.- ... am shamefaced]
2021-09-26 26924, 2021
King_DuckZ
highlight or pm are both fine
2021-09-26 26949, 2021
King_DuckZ
lol it's because you were looking at FF15 just a moment ago
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aerozol
wow the rounding seconds up or down discussion + edits might have put me to sleep more than anything else I've come across in MB, and that is really saying something!
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outsidecontext
Erin, King_DuckZ, dominikh: About the rounding thing: Picard round up, but the majority of tools seem to truncate (which I actually prefer)
even the annotation history is largely identical, odd
2021-09-26 26910, 2021
CatQuest
I mean, it's not guaranteed that every version of a cd will have a preegap
2021-09-26 26905, 2021
CatQuest
maybe some other pressing will not have it, but if anyone comes with a cd without that preegap their cd should b a diffrelease
2021-09-26 26906, 2021
CatQuest
so like see if there is a release there with the exact same stuff as yours and a preegap then move your disc-id over there. if none such exists edit the release te disc id is attached to
2021-09-26 26949, 2021
CatQuest
and anyone else comming around willø have to create a new release if theirs have no preegap
